Tips have gotten out of control

Thread Title - TIPS HAD GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL. OP is insinuating that us Hobbyists are paying more then we should and creating a situation. He even went as far as to say that if we all pay less then all MPA's going forward will expect less.

Has it? Are we Hobbyist getting cheap because of inflation?

There was an article re: Tipflation with regards to tipping at Restaurants. The machine now has a minimum of 15% (as opposed to 10% before). And there is even a button for 30%.

What do I think? I feel that we should always reward for GOOD service. Restaurants and of course Spas. If we as hobbyists feels that inflation had eroded our buying power, what about the MPA's? Do we expect them to work for less just because we want the same service now for less?

Numerous articles about how to deal with this. Mainly - eat out less if your Restaurant bills had gotten out of control. So, as hobbyists are we going to cut down our visits. @OG_funguy started a thread a while back asking "Has higher Costs affect our Hobbying habits" or something like that.
Restaurant one is interesting 15% on 30$ or 10% on 40$ equates to close to the same. So should Tip percent be decreasing If service is the same but base price is higher?
 
Thread Title - TIPS HAD GOTTEN OUT OF CONTROL. OP is insinuating that us Hobbyists are paying more then we should and creating a situation. He even went as far as to say that if we all pay less then all MPA's going forward will expect less.

Has it? Are we Hobbyist getting cheap because of inflation?

There was an article re: Tipflation with regards to tipping at Restaurants. The machine now has a minimum of 15% (as opposed to 10% before). And there is even a button for 30%.

What do I think? I feel that we should always reward for GOOD service. Restaurants and of course Spas. If we as hobbyists feels that inflation had eroded our buying power, what about the MPA's? Do we expect them to work for less just because we want the same service now for less?

Numerous articles about how to deal with this. Mainly - eat out less if your Restaurant bills had gotten out of control. So, as hobbyists are we going to cut down our visits. @OG_funguy started a thread a while back asking "Has higher Costs affect our Hobbying habits" or something like that.
Tipping in spas = not really tipping, itโ€™s payment ๐Ÿ’ฐ 4 services renderedโ€ฆ if I pay more than going rate, thatโ€™s a tip.

In a restaurant, tipping supplements incomeโ€ฆ in holistic spa, itโ€™s her ONLY income. :money
 
So I went to a spot in central Mississauga I normally donโ€™t frequent, but the lady spoke super good English and seemed friendly so thought I would give it a shot.

The massage was standard, nothing special as was the ending. Happy And standard but nothing to really thinK twice about.

As I donโ€™t hobby all that much anymore and the lady seemed super friendly I decided to tip 50$. At this point she looked at me in disgust and demanded I pay 70$. I put my 50$ back in my wallet and left without giving any tip.

Was she trying to push my generosity? This used to be 20$ tip before. And if not why do you guys keep paying this.
Wow....you walked out? Classy gent. Anyway women can charge whatever they want...its there bodies. The fee should be negotiated prior and if you don't want to pay just leave and go elsewhere. If its too expensive now then just go buy a sex doll or a mastabater. Lots of sex toys out there.
 
Wow....you walked out? Classy gent. Anyway women can charge whatever they want...its there bodies. The fee should be negotiated prior and if you don't want to pay just leave and go elsewhere. If its too expensive now then just go buy a sex doll or a mastabater. Lots of sex toys out there.

This post made me laugh. Itโ€™s a forum about rub and tugs I donโ€™t think any of this is โ€˜classyโ€™ nor any of us are gentlemen. Throwing the feminist lingo on top of that is just the proverbial cherry on top.

If fee is negotiated prior to any activity thatโ€™s great and up to her as the attendant to do. i agree much better for everyone to be clear on what costs are upfront.

If I could leave some advice though -
Perhaps spend a little less on them and more on yourself. Your grammar made my eyes bleed.
 
Tipping in spas = not really tipping, itโ€™s payment ๐Ÿ’ฐ 4 services renderedโ€ฆ if I pay more than going rate, thatโ€™s a tip.

In a restaurant, tipping supplements incomeโ€ฆ in holistic spa, itโ€™s her ONLY
Tipping in spas = not really tipping, itโ€™s payment ๐Ÿ’ฐ 4 services renderedโ€ฆ if I pay more than going rate, thatโ€™s a tip.

In a restaurant, tipping supplements incomeโ€ฆ in holistic spa, itโ€™s her ONLY income. :money
Tipping in spas = not really tipping, itโ€™s payment ๐Ÿ’ฐ 4 services renderedโ€ฆ if I pay more than going rate, thatโ€™s a tip.

In a restaurant, tipping supplements incomeโ€ฆ in holistic spa, itโ€™s her ONLY income. :money
You are like the Emily post of these places.

No joke should write a quick guide and sticky it on here for newbies.
 
Perhaps spend a little less on them and more on yourself.
But you didn't tip her anything.

Like you had $50, she asked for $70. You tripped out over $20 dollars.

I think you didn't want to pay or break a $50, so you where looking for an excuse to stiff her.
 
This post made me laugh. Itโ€™s a forum about rub and tugs I donโ€™t think any of this is โ€˜classyโ€™ nor any of us are gentlemen. Throwing the feminist lingo on top of that is just the proverbial cherry on top.

If fee is negotiated prior to any activity thatโ€™s great and up to her as the attendant to do. i agree much better for everyone to be clear on what costs are upfront.

If I could leave some advice though -
Perhaps spend a little less on them and more on yourself. Your grammar made my eyes bleed.
Re-read your Thread Title and what you wrote at the end and I quote

"Was she trying to push my generosity? This used to be 20$ tip before. And if not why do you guys keep paying this."
 
But you didn't tip her anything.

Like you had $50, she asked for $70. You tripped out over $20 dollars.

I think you didn't want to pay or break a $50, so you where looking for an excuse to stiff her.

Last time Iโ€™m saying this. It wasnโ€™t the amount asked it was the attitude with which it was demanded after an initial tip which most here have agreed was more then fair for services rendered.
 
Re-read your Thread Title and what you wrote at the end and I quote

"Was she trying to push my generosity? This used to be 20$ tip before. And if not why do you guys keep paying this."
You are correct I should have phrased that better. I was more asking if 70$ is the new normal for what she did. Doesnโ€™t sound like it is. However, if guys hold the line on tips mkt should correct. And donโ€™t let them play the poor card working 5 days a week with 5-6 visits a day assuming they get 0 from room fees And roughly 50$/visit in tips they are making 78-85k in CASH which is more then what the average household brings in.
 
This post made me laugh. Itโ€™s a forum about rub and tugs I donโ€™t think any of this is โ€˜classyโ€™ nor any of us are gentlemen. Throwing the feminist lingo on top of that is just the proverbial cherry on top.

If fee is negotiated prior to any activity thatโ€™s great and up to her as the attendant to do. i agree much better for everyone to be clear on what costs are upfront.

If I could leave some advice though -
Perhaps spend a little less on them and more on yourself. Your grammar made my eyes bleed.
Thats the best you can throw at me??? Grammer? LMAO. So you think poor men or men who don't hold any class whats so ever only go these places? LMAO. Hey man your an idiot that walked out and did not pay. GO BE A MAN AND GO BACK AND PAY THE LADY. You sound like a kid who walked out and did not pay at a restaurant because the food was too cold. Clown
 
Thats the best you can throw at me??? Grammer? LMAO. So you think poor men or men who don't hold any class whats so ever only go these places? LMAO. Hey man your an idiot that walked out and did not pay. GO BE A MAN AND GO BACK AND PAY THE LADY. You sound like a kid who walked out and did not pay at a restaurant because the food was too cold. Clown

Nah that was just the easiest one. Iโ€™m sure there are plenty more. You used the right too but still donโ€™t seem to know what an apostrophe is. Too much time with a guy sitting on your face in your playfighting classes ruin your brain cells?

And yes talking about class on here is rather funny. You then top this humor by insinuating that being a man has something to do with going to massage parlors and paying them whatever they ask. That is again rather humorous as the majority of guys going in here either canโ€™t hold a relationship or are using this as a relief valve from their old ladyโ€™s which is the antithesis of what being a man is normally portrayed as being.

Finally - to correct your metaphor itโ€™s like going to a restaurant, leaving a 30% tip when the expected is 15% and the waiter throwing a hissy fit that you didnโ€™t tip 55%.

If there are guys that have any class going to these places your responses tell me that you arenโ€™t one of them. Either that or you are a troll if itโ€™s the latter I tip my hat to you.
 
Thats the best you can throw at me??? Grammer? LMAO. So you think poor men or men who don't hold any class whats so ever only go these places? LMAO. Hey man your an idiot that walked out and did not pay. GO BE A MAN AND GO BACK AND PAY THE LADY. You sound like a kid who walked out and did not pay at a restaurant because the food was too cold. Clown
At most restaurants I think you can ask them to heat up the food more if it's not tongue searing hot
 
You are correct I should have phrased that better. I was more asking if 70$ is the new normal for what she did. Doesnโ€™t sound like it is. However, if guys hold the line on tips mkt should correct. And donโ€™t let them play the poor card working 5 days a week with 5-6 visits a day assuming they get 0 from room fees And roughly 50$/visit in tips they are making 78-85k in CASH which is more then what the average household brings in.
MPA making 78-85K in CASH - is that our concern? Why is that even a factor what they earned. They do things that a lot of ladies would not do. Some will work as cashier in a Supermarket for $15/hr. Some will work in Timmies for minimum wage in the morning shift. It is a choice they make.

They sacrifice their dignity to SERVICE US. Why? you said they play the poor card. Are you sure? Did you talk to any of them. Some of them are abandoned Single Moms with young children to bring up. Yes, some want to have a short cut to have luxuries in their life and willing to do what they are doing to make good COIN. Is that any much different that a Salesman selling their soul to make a sale, or those who are in a job that they hate but the MONEY is too good to pass up.

Please do not pass judgement on those of us willing to PAY MORE. It is our choice. Just like passing judgement of these ladies who do things that others might not do to make us HAPPY.

I am not passing judgement on you. All I can say is that if these ladies are making 75K a year and it bothers you that much then do not support them. DO NOT USE THEIR SERVICES.

RANT OVER
 
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  29. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Tuesday May 20, 2025, our attendants will be Monica ๐Ÿ˜, Connie ๐Ÿค—, Christina ๐Ÿคฉ, Ada ๐Ÿคฉ, Cici ๐Ÿคฉ and Ivy ๐Ÿ˜˜. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  30. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA (Iran), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MIKA (Vietnam), ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY (Philippines), ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (Colombia) ๐Ÿ“… bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿฆฉ bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  31. SugarLoveSpa:
    Monday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHRISTINA, ELLA, MIA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude. MIA is a young & slim ๐™Ž๐™‹๐™„๐™‰๐™‰๐™€๐™
  32. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Victoria Day!!! ๐Ÿ’œ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” Top Star Jenny, ๐Ÿ†• Cathy, Coco, JPN Yui, Cindy, Kelly, GFE Eva, Amber, Echo & Juliet โ€” ๐Ÿ๐ŸŽˆ Hit up 647-695-6354๐Ÿค™ or text to ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169 โœจ160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, Richmond Hill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  33. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl Hitti very young๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Lisa- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too minica- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask questions Thanks๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  34. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธAmber๐ŸŒธCarlyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  35. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  36. wonderspa:
    welcome toWonder spa [9421Jane st unit 127)L6a 4H8,๐Ÿ”ฅ4165000-800,Ensuit rain shower is available ,every day 4 nice girls working,๐Ÿ’„Amy is Vietnamese young sex girl,open maid,everything she can do,๐Ÿ’„Mimi is very beautiful face long leg friendly ,nice body slide,really popular must try๐ŸŒนlong hair Mina strong to relax oil massage,back walk,nice sexy body slice.amazing ending,๐Ÿ”ฅbring you comfortable time๐ŸŒนmust try
  37. Nu spring spa888:
    ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนsexy hot Latino ๐Ÿ’– Malaysian ๐Ÿ’– Korean girls ๐Ÿ‘working at Nu spring spa๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
  38. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธSamy๐ŸŒธTiffany๐ŸŒธPriya๐ŸŒธHellen Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  39. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ”ฅGood news for all the west end people in Etobicoke Mississauga Milton and Brampton!!!๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ˜˜The famous superstar Cambodian Princess Suki from Annie Spa is now working at Jennyโ€™s Spa in Etobicoke starting this Tuesday May 20th with Tina & Jenny๐Ÿ˜˜ ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE)
  40. 89moonstar&MoonMoon:
    MoonMoon spa/416 887 8801/8131Yonge st #203 Spanish Latin white girl and 22ys Colombia girl today &&Bradford location 6477129688
  41. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa : ๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ’ฐ100 hh all in๐Ÿ’ฐ๐Ÿ’ฐ โค๏ธโค๏ธ SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿฉท๐ŸฉทElena 22, Latino French, 36 DDD and ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ASS, ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Mimi 24, Asian mixed White , very open-Minded , ๐Ÿ˜ˆbbbj , DFk ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  42. AliceSpa:
    MONDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Sexy Young Girls Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm : LINA (12pm-9pm): is a young Hispanic girl, hot body, C Cups, brown skin, round tight big butt, cute baby face, great services. LUCKY (12pm-9pm): is Vietnamese, small body, busty D cup, very beautiful face, Young/Cute/Petite/Pure/Submissive, Fair Skin
  43. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Judy๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅOur new Asian massage girl Judy is a vision of refined sensuality, with a graceful figure and smooth, flawless skin that radiates warmth and allure. Her striking black hair frames her delicate features, and her poised
  44. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young sweet Michelle 25โ€™s sexy body open mind and young pretty Lily 25โ€™s with curve body, young cute Taiwanese Victoria slime open mind 25โ€™s and nice GFE cute are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  45. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ YUKI, MALIYA, MONICA, SASHA, BELA, AMANDA, PREETI, ANGELINA, SABHA, MONIKA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  46. ForeverWarden:
    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella & Yumi. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience.
  47. HolidaySpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY, FIONA & CINDY. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services.
  48. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga ViVi Sarah and Kiki work. They are young, sexy and cute and they give very good massage. Sarah is 23 years old and still a student. She only works for one day.
  49. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  50. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Yuki Sweet Singaporean Girl Sasa friendly Vietnamese girl Aiko She is a gorgeous model type Mixed Chinese/Japanese School Girl Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Cherry ๐Ÿ’ From Malaysia Part time School girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
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