Cosmetic acupuncture

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Just wondering if anyone practices cosmetic acupuncture or has had it done and what they thought of it?, what is the theory behind it and why is it called cosmetic acupuncture?
 
hi star99

in response to the second part of your question 'the theory behind cosmetic acupuncture' there is a good description on the site mentioned below that mentions how it originated with information from results carried out in studies as well as what the treatment can achieve:
http://www.cosmeticacupunctureuk.com/about-treatment.html

i hope this can help
 
Thanks MY, interesting, I just feel the word 'cosmetic' puts a false spin on it,cosmetic to me would be superficial and I know acupuncture is far from that.Perhaps it reaches a different market area as in an alternative to cosmetic surgery.
 
I and many others consider "cosmetic" acupuncture to be several steps away from the heart of Chinese medicine. However, I do accept that some people feel "better" when they look better, and as adults we are at liberty to try what we will. I for one would feel uneasy offering this service as a health-improving technique. True beauty and vitality shine from within.

Interestingly, the new "guidelines" from the ASA do not allow any reference to "facial rejuvination" or "facial revitalisation" in practitioner advertising or marketing, suggeting that there is not enough "evidence". What constitutes evidence is another matter entirely.

If you are considering going ahead with this proceedure, ensure that your practitioner is registered with the local authority, and with a professional body that ensures high standards of training and safety. Anyone can call themselves an acupuncturist, as there is (as yet) no statutory regulation.Some of the practitioners on the wesite link in the earlier post do not seem to hold professional "acupuncture" qualifications. I wouldn't take my car to a plumber for repairs- nor would I do something similar with my body!
 
Thanks David, I wonder how acupuncturists explain the procedure to someone who is only interested in cosmetic terms, would they explain the holistic element?.Im also wondering could this be done with acupressure?
I have seen lots of medical clinics in my area advertising this cosmetic procedure but as you say one does have to look at their qualifications etc.
 
I'm not sure how others might qualify what they do, or the terms they might use. The quality of vitality depends in Chinese medicine on qi, blood, a free circulation, good nutrition, absence of pathogenic factors and a life free of worry. Oh yes, and good parental health at conception. I'm not sure how any of these could change significantly in one or two sessions, seeing how it often takes weeks if not months to create lasting effects using chinese medicine.

Personally, I think that there is likely to be a localised change in the tissue structures. In the film I watched where the practitioner used dozens of needles in the face, there is likely to be minor swelling that plumps up the tissues. How long this lasts I wouldn't like to say.

Again, speaking personally, I didn't undergo a long and expensive training to work as a beautitian. That's not a dig at those that do, it's just not for me.
 
Hi

I agree with the points that DM made, and as for the cosmetic world each to his or hers....Got to be better than injecting toxins, and nips and tucks.

As Jack says in this link, it's got to come from inside: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEdClu1KeC8&feature=related

RP
 
I provide this service as a means purely to demonstrate that it does work! As for cosmetic acupuncture this is usually applied by beauty therapist that have attended a short course and have no understanding of the internal energy system.
During the process you are generating a lot of energy and directing it for a postive effect on the face, if this energy is not 'grounded' after a treatment it can cause more problems.
I researched and tested this procedure before offering it to others so i would know the true effects of the outcome.
I would not EVER let a practitioner who is NOT trained in traditional acvupuncture with the neccessary years of experinence to work on my face and those interested in having it done shoould seek a classically trained person.
I include full body acupuncture in all treatments to balance to some extent 'control' the energy system while i work.
I beleive this 'cosmetic' acupuncture is just another means of revenue, and people 'using' a very ancient sytem to promote a look and feeling that so many of us aspire to.
The shear fact of beauty acupuncture goes against the grain of traditional application, but you cannot deny that history tells us it has been used for many hundreds of years.
A trained practitioner will get good results, a poorly trained one will cause problems.
There is always a reason why skin, muscles and outward appearence change, sometimes earlier than expected. discovering this and treating it will have far better and long lasting results than ' cosmetic' acupuncture.
I term my treatment as 'facial acupuncture' and i make no claims other than those of whom i have treated.
Marked results are fuller skin, improved hair condition, firmer skin, and less facial lines.
Like i said i provide this a service to supply a correct application and hopefully prevent people from using 'bee venom', snake venom', fillers. etc.

INDO
 
Hi

Good reply Indo knowing that you do it.

Trying not to go off topic, I think one of the problems with CAM is that someone takes a series of skills/techniques and package it, therefore watering down the overall system. This affects CAM is general and you see it in TCM, Ayurveda and Naturopathy. Bits taken out losing it's effectiveness and the underlining holistic principles behind it. It's a bit like buying mince pies thinking that is christmas, not realising that there is a tree, greetings cards, turkey and the trimmings.

Best wishes

RP
 
Thing is though, Indo, under ASA rules were not allowed to use testimonials for conditions other than those on the "approved" list! I suppose, if your not actually "treating" a condition you might get away with it, but the message that the BAcC gives to its members (who HAVE to comply with ASA regs according to the BAcC constitution) is that the ASA deem that there is no evidence that shows the value of facial acupuncture. That goes for all the other things that we know acupuncture works for as well.
 
Hi David,

If the ASA say there is no evidence than i would be more than happy to present some to them!
Photographic evidence is the only sure evidence that we need to show this is a credible application , if applied correctly.
Have there actually been any sufficient studies? and if the ASA are going to clamp down on what is regarded as 'proven' or not then they must provide a valid testing system.
Only time will tell how this will effect us anyway!
 
The ASA has stipulated that RCT trials are currently the only acceptable evidence for acupuncture treatment. This poses a few difficulties for the profession. For an RCT to work there must be "double blinding". In normal drug trials, neither the patient nor the practitioner knows whether the pill or cream being tested is the real thing or a "dummy". That way, the effects of placebo are supposedly eliminated, as the real drug would have to work significantly better than the dummy (which would also work in some patients because of placebo effect).

With acupuncture it's impossible for a practitioner to know if he/she is administering "dummy" acupuncture. Now you can see the problem. For your photographic evidence to be valid, you would have to be able to demonstrate that the proceedure has significant advantage over "dummy" acupuncture, and that neither you or your patient should be able to tell which was which! Then you would have to be able to repeat the same process time after time, with thousands of patients.

This puts the whole profession in a bind. The ASA will only accept trials done this way, but acupuncture is difficult to test this way. A real dilemma. As of March 1st, any website or other marketing materials become subject to ASA scrutiny, and any not complying will become subject to a "steward's enquiry" with the results published in the public domain, and the practitioner "named and shamed", and then reported to Trading Standards if they fail to comply with the findings.

If you are not worried by now, then maybe you should be. The ASA has taken upon itself to decide what we can say, and how we can say it. Many in the profession feel that this is part of a larger "hidden agenda" to discredit what we do, with the eventual aim of outlawing non-medical practitioners, leaving the field open to midwives and podiatrist that have done 2 weekend's training. Not good, as the rules don't apply to them, being "medical" practitioners.
 
As an added note for those CAM therapists including the micro-systems acupuncturists that are registered with the CNHC, they have have just announced advertising advice to their registrants:

http://www.cnhc.org.uk/assets/6-046.pdf

RP
 
Cheers RP!

I didn't realise Microsystems was covered on the CNHC! does that mean we qualify with the W&A?

DM
Pretty soon it will just come down to experience of the practitioner and personal recomendation

Name.......Job Title......Qualifications.....Experience....

Why are the 'medical' bods running so scared? lack of revenue for drug prescriptions come to mind.

anyway.......

I'll be in the forest, hidden under a large rock if anyone wants any 'treatment' ......for back pain....and....er....back pain!

INDO
 
Hi Chris, Micro-Systems from the 14th Feb according to the CNHC website. It should cover Auricular and W&A, that was why we got those extra case studies! It's to do with the agreed industry standards from what I understand.
 
Sorry Star, I think we have taken over your thread.

Best wishes

RP
 
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    THURSDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”.4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 girls here today at ALICE SPA. Open 10am to 9pm: BEBE is a young slim Vietnamese girl with a beauty face, C Cup, 5'2" & 100 Lbs, student and model looks, vg at fs multiple positions, bbbj ymmv must be clean and respectful. KITTY (12pm-9pm) is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new to the business.
  34. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Midi,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,๐Ÿ address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2โ˜Ž๏ธ4376655510 ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„
  35. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Terrific Thursday ๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakville โœจ Your passport to paradise with 9 enchanting girls fr China, HK โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Tiffany, Joey, Julie, Aaliyah, Coco, Yui, Meghan, Julia & New 34D Jasmineโ€”โ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  36. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivian , pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Yuki ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .โ˜Ž๏ธ4379857899๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿ‘…๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿˆต๏ธ๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿ‘„๐Ÿฆต๐Ÿฆต
  37. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa :๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Thursday Schedule ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ณSana 23, , Punjabi girl , very pretty 36 DDD ๐Ÿ˜ˆGFE โค๏ธElena ( Latino ) Big Nature Boobs & SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  38. Golden Flower Spa:
  39. BlueXado Therapy & Spa:
  40. Pink Flower Spa:
  41. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธCassy๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธVivian๐ŸŒธCindy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  42. HollywoodSpa:
    ๐ŸŽญ๐—›๐—ข๐—Ÿ๐—Ÿ๐—ฌ๐—ช๐—ข๐—ข๐—— ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”๐ŸŽญ is now CLOSED as of April 30, 2025, due to land use changes. Thanks to all our loyal clients. We hope to reopen soon in a new location. ๐Ÿคž๐Ÿ™
  43. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Cindy, Sophia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass. Sophia can provide top notch services
  44. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl Tina works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  45. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: ANGELA, LUCY & CINDY. Angela is versatile and responsive. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit.
  46. SugarLoveSpa:
    Thursday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: LUNA, MIA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. MIA is a young & slim ๐™Ž๐™‹๐™„๐™‰๐™‰๐™€๐™, very PRETTY & PETITE Vietnamese beauty with perfect natural A Cups, 5โ€™1โ€ & 90 Lbs, very versatile. Come and enjoy.
  47. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒopen10 to10.on Thursday ,Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…beautiful Jessica come back,deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide๐Ÿ…sunny very good looking,big breasted sweet sensual touch really popular ๐ŸŒนlong hair young beautiful Lucy,friendly smile,back walk ,strong massage,hot stone,got more experience,relief your stress๐Ÿ”ฅmust try
  48. Annie Spa:
    Our famous sexy superstar Suki is BACK @ ANNIE SPA and working today Thursday May 1st with busty 36DD new young girl Bobo, Sexy Little Kitten Kitty and Sweet Sensual Busty Coco๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ˜˜ Suki only works on Thursdays and her schedule gets booked up very quickly so book your appointments well in advanceโ€ฆitโ€™s always a very special and busy day at Annie Spa when Suki is working ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜โค๏ธ๐Ÿฅฐ Call Annie Spa and ask for May to book appointments ๐Ÿ’ฏโค๏ธ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿป 1001 Sandhurst Circle Unit #7 Finch and McCowan
  49. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  50. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Today we had two girls, Suki and Kiki. They were both young, pretty and cute. The massage and back massage were both great.
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