Low Back Problems & Prolapsed Disks.

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I figure, that before, this forum gets bogged down with desparate folk who have be told they need surgery for their low back/disk problem, I'd just swoop in & offer my humble opinion.

Before I drag my soap box out, I feel it only fair to point out that I am an osteopath, amongst other things and that my view, like anyone one's, is open to bias. Also, I would
like to say that I work both privately and for the NHS.

1 - It is relatively rare that a disk injury (even a full prolapse) requires surgery.

2 - Over 90% of us will have a disk injury before we expire, which means you are actually abnormal if you don't get one. It's just that in some people they cause a lot more problems/pain than in others.

3 - A disk prolapse can be a serious condition & aught to be checked out by an appropriate primary health care practioner. Signs of when it is an emergency - see below.

4 - Surgery may actually make matters worse in the short & long term & there's is a distinct lack of research on this matter. I welcome any if you can find any, also I am happy for you if you've undergone surgery for this problem & it has resolved the matter.

5 - You may find that a 'private' consultant is more keen to operate than an NHS one. It's a complex issue, including insurance, fees, cost & necessesity, but do ask yourself why.


Hospital is indicated if any of the following are present:-

Large areas of numbness in the leg/s and especially around the anus and genitalia.

Incontinence of bladder/bowel.

Inability to urinate/defecate - that is not solely due to pain of ‘forcing’ or constipation, such as, from taking pain-killers/anti-inflammatories.

Loss of power in the leg/s - that is not solely due to pain. This may present as 'foot drop' where you are having to drag your foot because you're unable to flex the ankle.

Address for article on low back problems in general -

http://fp.osteopath.plus.com/articles/advice_4_back_pain.htm

Will get back to you when I've thrown together more info on the nature of disk & other low back problems, but you'll find more info on this issue on my vital-osteopathy web site.

Before I go - I will say that typically - disk prolapses & herniations give more pain in the leg than in than in the lumbar spine itself. Disks, themselves, have little or no pain sensory nerves. Also, the degree of pain experienced bears little or no relation to the seriousness of the condition. The truth is that the more minor low back problems seem to cause a great deal more pain locally.

Other than in the exceptional cases noted above - I would suggest you get to see your local osteopath, but then, as I say I am not without bias. Like anything some are better than others, but at least you can rest assured that since regulation came in by the General Osteopathic Council - they will, at the very least, be safe. Osteopaths are now recognised as Primary Care Practitioners, which puts them on a par with GP's - the difference being is that osteopaths actively treat people with these sort of problems every day and don't just treat the symptoms.

Do bear in mind that if it is a severe disk injury, even with treatment it may take a few months to settle down. Although pain killers/anti-inflammatories are not without their side effects, they may mean that you can get some sleep. Natural alternatives - we'll do another day.

Whatever else you do (if you don't have any of the serious symptoms noted above) - Keep moving as best you can. Movement will help clear the inflammation, which is the major case of pain.

It took a long time for them to get there, but western medicine has finally recognised that bed rest is the last thing you do. Unfortunately some GP's still haven't caught up on that one.
 
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Dear Anahata [sm=kiss.gif]
EXCELLENT! Move to the top of the class!
I have to repeat myself due to recent circumstances
In my personal & limited opinion, the most intimate yet briefest relationships that one has, should be that with one's health care providers, simply because, if their 'jobs' are done properly, there shouldn't be reason to prolong these relationships. There are no 'patients', only 'clients' - who are the ones required to have the most patience. All healthcare providers should have printouts pertaining to their 'speciality' which should also include general guidelines for one's wellbeing & maintenance - including a recommended diet & the most common Do's & Dont's. I also pray for the day when these will include a mention of the power of prayer/faith/belief/positive thinking, or whatever each wishes to refer to this, the most powerful 'healing tool' as.
ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE.
Bless you,
@nnie
 
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Thank you @nnie!

I wouldn't put a limitation on your opinion, if I were you, so long as it's coming from the right place.

As to how brief an encounter with your health care practitioner goes, in an ideal world I agree, but how it is at the moment, then some folks need more care than others. And I don't imagine that we're likely to have a full understanding of the most complex organism in the known universe for quite some time, if ever. [sm=cry.gif]

On the patient versus client issue - it is very complex - best I can do now is give Chambers dictionary answers.

Patient - noun - a person who is being treated by or registered with, a doctor, dentist, etc.

Doctor - 14c - originally meaning a very learned person - Latin - teacher

Client - noun - 1) someone using the services of an professional institution eg bank, a law firm, an estate agent, etc. 2) a customer 3) someone looked after by a social worker, etc.

I am reliably informed that the last example is now regarded as a 'sevice user'.

It's a case of how far you stretch political correctness before it becomes a nonesense. [sm=jump1.gif]

Personally I spent 5 years getting my degree, so I feel I've earned the right to use the word patient. If I lived in the US then I would be called doctor, in the UK we osteopaths are medico-legally on a par with GP's, dentists, vets, etc. I used to feel mildly insulted when patients called me doc - truth is I'd rather be treated by a vet, but I'll save that on for another day.

I am not under the illusion that we can fix anyone - the self can only cure the self.

Do's & don'ts - well we can only advise, the responsibility of what folks do or don't must be theirs.

As for the client thing - the definition covered most of my pet hates - banks, lawers & estate agents - now do you see where I'm coming from? [sm=jump2.gif]

I agree that health care providers should furnish there patient/clients with there background information - I always do my best on that score. But specialty is another issue, which is one of the inherent problems with 'modern medicine'. It's based on a reductionist method looking at, or specialising in increasing smaller areas, with little comunication between them & losing the ability to see the big picture - the whole person.

A nice example.

A lady I was treating was concerned about her sister, who was having recurrent nose bleeds & she had always bruised easily. A surgeon had cureterised her nose twice without any benefit. I suggested she take a copper supplement, as copper (& vitamin C) is essential to maintain the integrity of our blood vessels. This was a few weeks ago. The lady in question called me this week to thank me - not only had the nose bleeds stopped, but she had bashed her hand a few days earlier and instead of the usually bruising she just briefly had a red mark.

My point - they've known for decades that the trace mineral copper saves the lives of countless animals that are prone to aortic anyurisms, such as turkeys. To farmers losing them would be a great finacial loss. But are the human medics interested? [sm=banghead.gif]

It appears that if it looks like a nose preoblem, then they'll treat the nose - a nose that is too close to the issue to see the big picture.

I think I've ranted enough for one night.

Thank you for your kind words & bearing with this & you do get a bonus - a book that I suspect is right up your path.

God, Faith and Health - Jeff Levin, PhD - says it explores the latest compelling evidence of the connectione between health & spritual beliefs & practices.

Sounded so good I bought it, just dunno when I'll get time to read it.
 
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Hi Andrew
Thanks for your response. I had actually wanted to mention the words "alternative" and "holistic", but then feared that I could push some buttons inadvertently. As for the "client" vs "patient", I was being a bit 'naughty' here - because I find that too many medical professionals make use of anti-biotics or other powerful drugs far too often, knowing that these will (more often than not) take the current symptom away, yet seldom address the root cause of the problem - consequently, their 'client' will no doubt be back for future visits, invariably suffering from the same symptom or another, directly related to that. Depending on the time between these visits, there's invariably a 'new' anti-biotic or drug to offer their 'client' and so the cycle of 'visits' goes ... & the general health of the 'client' doesn't necessarily improve, as their systems have to learn how to overcome the long term side-effects of the 'drugs' .... or God forbid, cope with a potential dependency [:@]
Here in SA I'm often riled when I learn that GPs have given patients (those not on any medical aid scheme & with limited financial resources) medication without even taking the time to explain what the problem was, nor the properties of the medication prescribed. On questioning these people, they all say that they were too embarrassed to ask any questions. Often others in the same financial situation have teeth which only require a tiny filling, extracted unnecessarily, & this really makes me see RED! Is it that these particular healthcare providers do not see any long term financial benefit in maintaining a relationship with such patients (clearly not clients).
I'm waffling now [] SORRY [&:]
Nice pic Doc
@nnie
 
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I also heard from a doctor who trains student doctors, that they are planning to reduce doctors training by one year, can you imagine due to the lack of doctors available. Also they only receive 2 hours training in nutrition.

I chose the Chiropractor for my lower back problem, flower essences and a lot of self development and healing. After six months I thought I would just get it checked out by the doctor and I was referred to hospital for physio well one session and I could not work for three months, when I raised this with the doctor she confirmed that there have been excellent and mediocre results with all the therapies including your own and, she said that it seems to be that a therapy will work well for one person but not necessarily the same for another person. Which makes sense to me because that is the same with all therapies.

We are all different and what works for one will not work for another.

The doctor also recommended that I look at my posture so have been seeing an Alexander Technique practitioner and I have to say that I most impressed. I dropped the Chiro and went for AT and Aromatherapy as well.

The good news is that I am back at work now and feel great.

And thanks for sharing all the information please keep it coming. The more we learn about all the different types of help available the more informed choices we can make and help others to make too!

blessings in abundance


Kim xx

PS www.fredsworld.com for Alexander Technique information

PSS Another doctor said that our backs were not built for 'working' or 'walking in shoes' hence the back problems, lovely man. I remember when we discussed skin problems he said 'well if I had it I would move to a hot country like Spain'. Big smiles! At least there are some good ones around.
 
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Dear Believer,
inadvertent button pushing is an great attribute. So long as you're not intentionally setting out to rub folks up the wrong way. The only way not to upset someone is to never express yourself and then hey - some will think you're ignoring them. So doing our best to be ourselves with all it entails is all we can do.
Many that I've inadvertently rubbed up the wrong way have thanked me for it. Sometimes years later. Same goes for us too - if somethin someone has said upsets us, then why. Is it our stuff or theirs. If theirs dismiss it, if ours, then work towards sorting it.

[sm=jump2.gif]

The Holism & Alternative issues I'm just warming up for. In meantime there's an article on our www.Holistic-Centre.org web site. On the 'Issues' page. So many that use the word Holism don't really know what is means. The word was coined by a South African - Jan Smutts - I think he was prime minister early 20th Centrury. Could you find a little info on him for me please?

The whole Dr issue is another can of worms, which will no doubt inspire me to drag out the ol soap box. Paricularly the older generations tend to have that 'Dr knows best' mentality. Even my parents have it! It was only when I noticed my dad limping & asked him what the problem was he said - oh can you do something about that then. It was a heel spur, no the Dr didn't help & within a couple of weeks we had him right as rain.

Change of attitude takes time, often generations - something I suspect your very aware in your culture.

Will dig out link on MORA machine but there should be a link on above site. Will be under therapies - Allergy Testing or Aqua Detox. There's also the BEST machine, which I suspect is better & cheaper. Will get back to you on other issues in email.

RE: The tooth issue - some of the more sensitive types may be better off with distraction, cos if they do a filling it's only gonna be mercury amalgam ones. So may save them from a lot more sinister problems. If you want the gen on that on check book - It's All In Your Head - The link between mercury fillings and Illness - Dr Hal A. Huggins - published by Avery. [:-]

Dear Sacredstar - Dr's & backs continued,

Nice to know someone who knows who they are.
It's true a degree in medicine in the UK requires only one lecture in nutrition. For something so essentila to helath, it would be laughable until you consider they're the primary health care providers of the large majority of the nation by mandate.

But of course it says on the container of natural supplements - if in doubt ask you Dr.
If they say it's fine to take, then they are liable if it goes horribly wrong. If they say don't take it, you might not get better, but at least they're not liable.

I like the US system, but then I don't have to live with it, but there Naturopaths, Herbaists, osteopaths, psychologists, chiropractors, etc are all regarded as Drs, by its original meaning, presumably. The down side is that in the '60's osteopaths were forced by the AMA to join mainstream medicine, which the judicious useage of cortizone. Apparently US osteo's regard UK osteo's as being to it's original ethos.

I am concerned that it took 6 months for your back to reslove, but if it's okay then hey.

Good luck with the AT - I know it takes a lot of dedication.

Would say our backs are built for manual work, but not to be sat on our bums all day in offices. If you prescribe to the theory of evolution, then you have to accept that it is extremely slow, especially in complex organisms. And they don't get more complex than peeps.

If at some point someone has said we have back & disk problems cos we stand upright, that's also a large assumption. Certain quadrapeds are prone to disk injuries.

Time to go.
 
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Oh Andrew I had a giggle when I read your "So doing our best to be ourselves with all it entails is all we can do." & was dying to slot in the word "entrails" somewhere too [sm=nuts.gif] Jan Smuts (only one 'T' - not quite as in [sm=dogrun.gif] like many of our other 'leaders' of the past!) You've taught me something here - shall have to look it up (or ask Dad for help here) & get back to you - I wasn't huge on OUR history in my day - it was all ONE SIDED & mostly untrue!
MORA - ok! ok! as in Quantum - I get it now - thanks I thought this much, but just wanted to double check with you [sm=scratchchin.gif]
Do so hope that you write a word or 2 on behalf of Dr Clark [sm=ladys-man.gif] If anyone has saved lives (for no $$$ gain) it's her, and the FDA haven't even let her begin the real HEALING party yet [sm=mecry.gif]
Love your posts [sm=jump1.gif]
@nnie[sm=jump2.gif]
http://www.drclark.net/news/ezine030916.htm just in case you missed it elsewhere[sm=idea.gif]
 
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such a brilliant thread. so many people undergo back surgery because it is the only option given by most doctors. the truth is yoga, and other alternatives can assist greatly. why is it the NHS dont employ us yoga therapist. so many would benefit and i am fed up with sending letters to them to ask if i can work with them. one day they will see the light and stop endless suffering.

ps how do you get the pretty pictures under your name!

tammyx[&o]
 
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just testing my picture is now sorted? sorry guys!

tamx
 
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After much trepidation - always wondered what that means - I have managed to update our website, so there are a couple more related articles there. The direct link to the Articles page is below & includes subjects like:

Osteopathy & Back Pain

Low Back Pain Advice

Joint Pain & Stiffness

http://fp.osteopath.plus.com/holistic-centre/articles/articles.htm

And I said no more late nights

Edited web link as old one now defunct - And.
 
Low Back Problems & Prolapsed Disks.

Dear Believer

RE: Dr Clark - I think she's as mad as a fish, in the nicest possible way - my kinda people. Have book on shelf - one of the ones that's been largely read.

Interested to know about your Rife machine. The main issues seem to be:-

Much disagreement about frequencies used &

The amount of power output required.

I got half way thru building one - it's still in the garage & will get around to finish.

A simple Zapper (which I did finish & played with for some time) doesn't really have much oomph (technical word). The rpoblem with this & the direct cantact method is that electricity takes the easiest most conductive path. So when it comes to hollow organs, such as the gut, blood vessels, etc, then it tends to travel around there structure & doesn't penetrate the substance within. Apparently - makes sense though.

A strong electromagnetic field is better, because it penetrates right through the tissues.

Links I promised

The company in Germany that make the MORA machine

http://www.med-tronik.de/html/grundlagen-e.html

The company in the UK that make the BEST machine


http://www.biotechhealth.com/equipment/index.htm

They're both very expensive, which tends to reflect on the price of treatment. They work in slightly different ways & do slightly differnet things. I suspect the BEST is better from a theoretical point of veiw, although I have felt great benefit from the MORA.

Something else that miay be of interest - The Aqua or Bio Detox machines.

There's a link on our www.Holistic-Centre.org website, under allergy tests and a site with some back ground info is


http://www.aquadetoxuk.com/


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Low Back Problems & Prolapsed Disks.

WOW! Thanks Andrew I have a pile of documentation on the BEST system, given to me by a local importer .... but their systems cost almost the price of my home [>:]
Oh! Come on - finish building your Rife machine! I'm met lots of 'fundis' who could help if you get stuck! The list of frequencies that I prefer using is CAFL - regularly updated - but you're so right about the 'confusion'. I'm often frustrated by it. http://www.electroherbalism.com/Bioelectronics/FrequenciesandAnecdotes/CAFL.htm
Shall write some more via email sometime - in fear of anyone thinking that I'm advertising for self gain here [&:] Prices are slowly becoming more competitive due to growing interest - AT LAST! The best zappers in my personal opinion are the 'automatic' ones, which mine isn't - and I find the timing 'thingy' 7 on 20 off etc etc a schlep [:@] Shall invest in an auto model soonest - I swear by these! [X(]
Thanks again [8D]
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Thanks for your kind words Andrew!
Can't recall whether I mentioned anywhere above that last week, my parents gave me an Acuhealth Pro 900 (Electro Acupuncture device) for my 50th B'day .... 2 months too early, but having received it from Oz, they were too excited not to pass it on ASAP I feel as tho' I'm repeating myself now ... forgive me! [&:] Dad's had one for YONKS and swears by it - (together with his huge collection of 'related' devices .... Med Eng ... what else can one expect!) The downside with this, is that it requires 'hands on' like Reiki and other therapies, which inhibit my 'clothing biz' activities that pay the bills! The beauty with Rife, is connecting the client and leaving them to watch something on TV, video or to read if they choose to opt for the foot pads whilst I sit in my office nearby .... listening out for the timer ... which, most often, WAKES THEM UP from a comfie nap Would love to take a look at that website if & when it 'jumps' out at you again [:-] I'll ask my 'folk' to remind you [sm=idea.gif]
Bye now [sm=wave.gif]
@[sm=jump2.gif]
 
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Don't set 'de family' on me - I surender - here it is -

http://www.ycyhealth.com/index.php

the english on the site is a bit, well Chinese, but they're very helpful & ship internationally. May help me if you drop name if you do any shoping. They've loads of stuff at good prices.

RE: your shiny new Electro Acupuncture device - if you've no previous experience - book on acupressure may be a good starting place. []

There a many different approaches to electro/needle acupuncture/pressure. Roughly grouped :-

There's the traditional approach (TCM) that invloves a full case history, examination, including tongue & pulse diagnosis, then treatment to restore the balance of chi in the meridians. It also involves lots of college study & practice. I have a lot of respect for this system & have often considered studying it, but felt that I couldn't afford the time out at present. The best compromise I found was an online study, in units, then a month or two intensive in China via the MedBoo site below.

http://www.medboo.com/eng/

Or the western/medical approach, which is largely for painful conditions where there is little doubt of the benefits of acupuncture. This appraoch varies from just treating focus/source of pain, muscles in spasm, course of 'nerve' pain, etc with a few important traditional points, such as - The 4 Gates (both Liver 3 & Large Intestine 4 points) or both Spleen 6.

There's also a kind of 'cook book recipe' approach with lists of conditions with common points used to treat these. These are often by chinese authors & can be picked up cheap on Ebay. I like these - the only downside being - because they're often translated diectly from chinese, they usually don't have an alphabetically ordered index or contents. Just adds to the mystique! [sm=scratchchin.gif]

I worked in industry for 10 years before I stepped out & found what it was that I really wanted to do. It involved large debts, adverse circumstances, etc, but I don't have a single regret. I figure it's because I'm an idealist & wasn't able to accept my lot & just do a job for a pay cheque at end of day. Also, I would like to say that my AK teacher was well into her 60's when she started studying the subject - so I believe it's a matter of - if you've a mind to do something, then do it! It won't necessarily be easy, but knowing your doing what you want to do seems more important - to me at least.

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Hello Anahata!

A million thanks for all your help. I've read everything you wrote about the condition. You don't know how much I appreciate it! I was getting desperate... and really depressed. You see, I have never heard of prolapsed discs before. I thought my life was over...

I was told not to move and lay flat on my back and avoid movement at all cost. I did that for almost 2 weeks. I hope I haven't made matters worse.

I've noticed that my right leg (that is where the pain is) is a little smaller than my left one. I've already lost a bit of muscle.

You will think I'm some kind of idiot but... I really didn't know what an osteopath was. I've never been sick nor injured, that's probably the reason?

Funny thing about pain (I had so much time to reflex on the matter!)... first it takes all the room... slowly invades your life... and soon enough takes over you. Not too long ago, I felt I was just this big blob of pain.

For a few days now I've been hobbling around the house. With the help of meds and hot baths with Epsom salts it's not as bad as it was. Another strange thing : when I put a bit of my perfume I feel much better! Maybe it gives me the impression I'm being my old self again???

I'm sooooooooooooo glad we can all communicate and share via the Internet. Without all this info, I'd be pretty miserable. Again, thanks to all of you and especially you Anahata.

Have a great day all!

Thursday Oct 2nd - UPDATE **** I had the MRI results. It is indeed a prolapsed disc. Because I'm in a lot less pain today and I do show signs of improvement, I will see the doc Oct 30th for a reassessment of the situation. He is confident I should recover in a few weeks, without injections or surgery. My mood just got a wonderful boost today. I'm so happy. Funny how good news can make you feel so good... Byyeeeee!!!
 
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Dear Marie

It's good to hear you're on the mend. I seemed to have acquired a talent for killing threads, so it's nice to knw my intention is not wasted.

At this stage I wouldn't rule out Inversion therapy - hangin upside down, as an idea to minimise need for surgery, but would still advise getting offending vertebral segment mobilised when stable for long term health.

Feel free to email if any concerns or complications.

I trust your told the consultant about loss of muscle tone/bulk. If it's a generalised thing it's normal, but if it's only a few specific muscles it may be a sign of a loss of nerve function & is more serious.
 
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Hi folks... as anyone mentioned Bowen Technique yet? It certainly my choice treatment for back problems and is known to have great effects of slipped discs etc..
 
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Hi

can anyone tell me what is the treatment for slipped disc. I have been in agony for 4 days. I can hardly walk when I sit I can harldy stand. doctor said its mechanical and put me off work for 2 weeks when he wants to see me again. I dont know how this happened. The day before it happened I was moving furniture at work at the request of my manager. I should have known better because under health and safety I should not be doing this. However, at the time I felt no pain, could that happen and then the next morning I took a sudden sharp pain in lower back which brought me to mt knees.

Please,please advise.
 
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Anahata - it's good to see this subject as a sticky (but it still doesn't seem to have stopped the individual threads on this subject). As well as being painful it is also a very emotive subject, the public must remember that most of the stories that are being told on here are by members who have not yet managed to cope with or get rid of their symptoms - the majority of back pain sufferers become completely painfree between episodes and life totally normal lives.
 
Agreed entirely with Kaz (welcome fellow newbie btw; I'd noticed the lack of physio forum too); also might be worth mentioning that there is a case for maintenance care between episodes for those with chronic/recurrent problems too, but should be offered on a case by case basis

My general advice for disk injuries:
Seeing a chiropractor or osteopath is exactly the right thing to do; you'll be having a clinical history and physical examination by an expert in the field. They ought also to keep your GP informed of their findings. They may or may not then recommend an MRI scan - as mentioned elswhere, there are reputable options around the £200-£250 region, and the chiro/osteo should explain fully the results of this scan to you, if done.
Most disc injuries don't need to be scanned, though it's generally a good idea; and can be treated conservatively; the chiro/osteo should go through a couple of treatment options with you, and discuss the risks and prognosis associated with each, though prognosis is often simply "guarded" (ie, fairly unpredictable, but worth a trial of care).
In my personal opinion, I would avoid spinal manipulation until it stabilises to a degree, I always start out with mobilisation techniques such as flexion-distraction, and I can only think of 1 patient where this has let me down; though there are, of course, many options.
Whatever treatment option is recommended and taken, various exercises should be introduced at the appropriate stages, to help strengthen the back again; this may be McKenzie exercises, rehab, pilates, yoga etc etc as is appropriate for the individual patient. I personally use McKenzie and co-contraction then refer for rehab/pilates, but wish I had facilities to do the rehab properly myself.
Another useful tool is a portable TENS machine, purely for pain management, very effective, and without the nastier potential side effects of medication; you'd probably need a physio to explain it properly though, as electrotherapy is an area traditionally ignored/looked down on by chiropractors, and I believe osteopaths too (I'm correcting this for myself, but holds true as a generalisation)

Hope that helps
Aidan (DC)
 
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    Lily Spa : Friday Schedule ❤️❤️ SuSu ( Asian )Slim , 😍😍Porn Service 🩷🩷Elena 22, Latino French, 36 DDD and 🍑🍑ASS, 💋💋Yuki 24, Korean Slim , 😈bbbj , DFk 🔥Duo 🔥,☎️ 6475318288
  7. wonderspa:
    🌺welcome to wonder spa☎️416-5000-800,L6a4H8,open10 to10,Ensuit shower available 🍅beautiful young Jessica deep tissue to relax massage back walk,hot stone🍅long hair vietname Amy is very good looking,slim body ,nice body slide sweet sensual touch 🌹beautiful sexy face ,big boob Joey ,amazing massage ,nice the end,really popular .give you warm and comfortable time🔥🔥
  8. Withme_Spa:
    💕💯💢4386 Sheppard Avenue east, 💗💋Friday, 💖💗 Lillian,💋 curvy, sexy body, very pretty. Nicely stacked, with very white skin. High energy session in store for you 💞💕 Kim,💋 gorgeous, long brown hair, a sexy medium body with good relaxation skill. nice service 💞❣ Jasmine, 💋slim, and sexy body, nicely stacked, very pretty young lady, friendly, nice style of relaxation treatment ❤💞Gaga,💋 medium height, stacked, friendly and pretty, firm treatment, over the top finish. 💖💋🔋416 297-7488🔋
  9. wilson holistic centre:
    💕💕Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave 💕💕☎️☎️416-840-0071❤️❤️
  10. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center : New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Mia,young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Aad,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Yoyo,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella ,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry 🏠address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2☎️4376655510 🈵🈵🦵🦵👄👄👅👅
  11. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: New Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Ivy , Young girl pretty face big boobs nice figure deep massage Jessica ,Young girl Big-breasted big Big boobs big butts May, Young beautiful face sexy body and good deep massage Maggie,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary . 🏠 2560 Shepard Ave Mississauga unit 1 ☎️ 4379857899 🈵🈵🦵🦵👅👅👄👄
  12. Soul Relax Spa:
    ✨ Looking for a relaxing escape? ✅ Click Here Meet🌸Kim🌸Sami🌸IsabellaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now ☎ 289 - 298 - 5662☎️ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! ✨
  13. ForeverWarden:
    Friday at 🫦❤️🔴🟥♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳 : Bobo, Mimi & Sasa. Bobo is a small, slim and sexy lady, petite with all natural busty melons for your enjoyment. Mimi is a nice slim lady with a big bottom, & great oral skills to take you to paradise. Sasa is a slim & sweet Korean lady, about 5’4” with C Cups.
  14. ForeverYoung1Spa:
    1839 DANFORTH AVE NEW STUDENT 4168556533
  15. lemon_tree:
    💛💥a discreet entrance to 4155 Sheppard Avenue east, unit 201💞💋Friday, ❣💞 Fifi, 💋💋friendly girl, dark hair, very nice curvy body, busty, pretty, soft hands to relax you and highly developed sensual skills 💝💋 📞 647 348-2899📞
  16. HolidaySpa:
    Friday at 🌴😎🌅𝓗𝓸𝓵𝓲𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓢𝓹𝓪🌅😎🌴3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough ☎️𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟮𝟰𝟳-𝟭𝟭𝟵𝟵☎️: FIONA, LINA & CINDY. FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. LINA is very well known for her great services and her impressive shapely ass. Come and see why! You will be glad you did. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady
  17. SugarLoveSpa:
    Friday at ❤️💙 💜⎝𝗦𝗨𝗚𝗔𝗥 𝗟𝗢𝗩𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔⎠💖💗💘: ELLA, KELLY, LUNA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON ☎ 𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟯𝟲𝟱-𝟮𝟲𝟴𝟴 ☎ ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5’1” with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude. KELLY is a young Singaporean lady, slim with C Cups & liberal skills. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural
  18. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young pretty Lily 25’s with curve body and Taiwanese Victoria 25’s slime open mind and young flirty Tina 30’s with sexy body open mind and sweet GFE Ella are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  19. Red_Pearl_Spa:
    💋4385 Sheppard Avenue east, unit 5 🔺💋💋🔴Friday, 💟💋❣ Kelly, today for an amazing treatment... 5'5", long light brown hair, at least C's . 💋☎️ 647 352-1588☎️
  20. AliceSpa:
    FRIDAY at 𝗔𝗟𝗜𝗖𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟮𝟵𝟴-𝟬𝟴𝟵𝟴. 3 ladies waiting for you. Two Very hot ladies (Qiqi & Summer) have returned to Alice spa today. Open 10am to 9pm: LUCKY (11:30am-9pm): is Vietnamese, small body, busty D cup, very beautiful face, Young/Cute/Petite/Pure/Submissive, Fair Skin/Perky Ass/Sweet, Super Open-Minded bbbj cim cof rim, excellent service, also strong massage.
  21. gold__rose__spa:
    💐🏵1536 Warden Avenue 💗💞💫Friday, 💗💞💋 Nana, small in stature, slim and fit. A very pretty girl, fantastic finish. 🏵 Fifi, a strong, full body girl, 💐🌹 📳 647 346-8086📳
  22. Jenny’s Spa:
    🎉🍒JENNY’S SPA🎉🍒 ✅5170 DUNDAS STREET WEST✅ 👌ETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4👌 ☎️( 647-893-5196)☎️Call or Text ☎️( 437-888-3759)☎️Call Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅GRAND OPENING💯NEW GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥EXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNY’S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS🔥💯😘🔥❤️👌 🔥TWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY🔥 💯REAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS💯 🔥💋Limited Time Special Promotion🔥💋 ✅💦30 Minutes Nude Massa
  23. Annie Spa:
    🎉🍒ANNIE SPA🎉🍒 ✅7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLE✅ 👌SCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6👌 ☎️ (647) 891-9688☎️ ☎️ (416) 291-8879☎️ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY 🔥✅NEW MANAGEMENT💯NEW GIRLS🔥🔥 🔥GORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAY’s ROSTER INCLUDES: 🔥 Yumi😘💋A striking new tall gorgeous Korean model with long, flowing reddish-brown hair cascading down her back and a slender, elegant figure that exudes grace and poise. Yumi’s natural confidence and allure, make her approach
  24. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    ✨ Looking for a relaxing escape? ✅ Click Here Meet🌸Luna🌸Valentina🌸KellyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now ☎ 289 - 298 - 5662☎️ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! ✨
  25. Double_Tree:
    💞4271 Sheppard Avenue east, 💕💋💖Friday,💖💗 Sofia, tall and slim, experienced touch that will have you relaxed. ❤💋 Mary, ❣tall and slender woman. Dark hair to shoulder. Sensual touch with a great finish +. 💋 📞 416 293-5071📞
  26. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga Judy and Kiki work Their relaxing massage and deep tissue massage are very very good.
  27. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa 🌹🌹🌹3 girls 😘Table shower 、body scrub 、 Sea salt bath👍5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke☎️416-817-3366👍 New girl Sandy sexy body so open service 😜😚 Young girl Cherry (Student)😘😘“charming breasts.”beautiful curvy hips.”very provocative service😘😘😘, You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in the back door with plenty of parking spaces
  28. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Jessica Pretty Girl with amazing personality and super easy to get along with. Sasa friendly Vietnamese Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Sami Vietnamese Girl Cherry 🍒 From Malaysia Part time School girl ☎️647- 446-0886
  29. DareDevil:
    Add bookmark #400 Blackpink Wellness ♥️♥️90 Marycroft Ave. Unit #2, Vaughan, 🍭🍬ON L4L 5Y1 (647) 395-3188. BEAUTIFUL AND SEXY GIRLS TODAY: 🌹Superstar Julie and Beautiful Tiffany on duty🌹.
  30. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS ♥️♥️ADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL♥️♥️,647-222-5683 (PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) ♥️TODAY'S Schedule!♥️ Loaded lineup with Young Beautiful Girls : New Girls Cici and Joy, Ellagant Ella, Magical Mia and Work out🏋🚴💪 Babe Amy! BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) **TODAY'S PICK OF THE DAY ARE🍬🍭Cici or Ella🍬🍭
  31. wonderspa:
    wonderspa: wonderspa: 🌺🌺Wonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800☎️best massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,💄sexy very young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular 🍎long hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,young very beautiful new girl Cici, back walk ,body slide,amazing the end,give you warm and comfortable time must try🔥
  32. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Friday May 2, 2025, our attendants will be Ada 🥰, Carla ❤, Vicky 🥰, Opal 🥰 and Cici 😍. Call us at ☎️(905) 479-6668☎️ to book!
  33. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa :💕💕Thursday Schedule 🇮🇳🇮🇳Sana 23, , Punjabi girl , very pretty 36 DDD 😈GFE ❤️Elena ( Latino ) Big Nature Boobs & SuSu ( Asian )Slim , 😍😍Porn Service 🔥Duo 🔥,☎️ 6475318288
  34. Soul Relax Spa:
    ✨ Looking for a relaxing escape? ✅ Click Here Meet🌸Luna🌸Valentina🌸KellyCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now ☎ 289 - 298 - 5662☎️ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! ✨
  35. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young cite Taiwanese Victoria 25’s slime open mind and young flirty Tina 30’s with sexy body open mind, sexy Coco and sweet GFE Ella are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  36. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa 🌹🌹🌹2 girls,Nina 、Cindy 🔥🔥🔥5124 Dundas St W Etobicoke☎️416-817-3366👍 Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub😘 Japanese girl Nina ❤️ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD 😘Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable😘😘😘😘 very provocative service😘😘😘, Mia sexy girl 1.65 M.pretty boobs 36D😘Superb service 👍 massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surpr
  37. AliceSpa:
    THURSDAY at 𝗔𝗟𝗜𝗖𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔.4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟮𝟵𝟴-𝟬𝟴𝟵𝟴. 3 girls here today at ALICE SPA. Open 10am to 9pm: BEBE is a young slim Vietnamese girl with a beauty face, C Cup, 5'2" & 100 Lbs, student and model looks, vg at fs multiple positions, bbbj ymmv must be clean and respectful. KITTY (12pm-9pm) is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new to the business.
  38. Moneylee:
    All season wellness center: Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Midi,Young girl big boobs beautiful face deep massage Tina ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Cindy ,Student big boobs buttocks Vicky, Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Sherry ,🏠address: #5-30 Rambler dr Brampton ,Ontario L6W 1E2☎️4376655510 🈵🈵🦵🦵👅👅👄👄
  39. SL East Spa:
    💆‍♀💖Terrific Thursday 💖 Ultimate destination for Asian massages🎉 Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakville ✨ Your passport to paradise with 9 enchanting girls fr China, HK — 🆕Tiffany, Joey, Julie, Aaliyah, Coco, Yui, Meghan, Julia & New 34D Jasmine—— ready to pamper you🎁🍁 Ring us 📞647-695-6354 or text us 📱647-578-8169✨ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill 💰Where Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits🙌
  40. Moneylee:
    Full season wellness center: young girl pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Vivian , pretty face nice figure Thai deep massage Yuki ,Young girl big breasted beautiful buttocks charming temperament big boobs Anjoo ,Young girl Big breasted saucy naughty Ella,Enchanting sexy petite deep massage Mary. 2560 Shepard ave Mississauga unit 1 .☎️4379857899👅👅🈵🈵👄👄🦵🦵
  41. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa :💕💕Thursday Schedule 🇮🇳🇮🇳Sana 23, , Punjabi girl , very pretty 36 DDD 😈GFE ❤️Elena ( Latino ) Big Nature Boobs & SuSu ( Asian )Slim , 😍😍Porn Service 🔥Duo 🔥,☎️ 6475318288
  42. Golden Flower Spa:
  43. BlueXado Therapy & Spa:
  44. Pink Flower Spa:
  45. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    ✨Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! ✅ Click Here Today🌸Cassy🌸Akame🌸Isabella🌸Vivian🌸Cindy Call us ☎ 905 - 265 - 2158☎️ Your ultimate service awaits! ✨
  46. HollywoodSpa:
    🎭𝗛𝗢𝗟𝗟𝗬𝗪𝗢𝗢𝗗 𝗦𝗣𝗔🎭 is now CLOSED as of April 30, 2025, due to land use changes. Thanks to all our loyal clients. We hope to reopen soon in a new location. 🤞🙏
  47. ForeverWarden:
    Thursday at 🫦❤️🔴🟥♾️𝓕𝓞𝓡𝓔𝓥𝓔𝓡 𝓢𝓟𝓐♾️🟥🔴❤️🫦🫦2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough 𝟰𝟭𝟲-𝟴𝟬𝟬-𝟳𝟴𝟴𝟳: Cindy, Sophia & Tracy. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5’4”, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream come true. Sophia is a sweet & pretty Chinese lady with natural B Cups and an awe-inspiring smooth rounded ass. Sophia can provide top notch services
  48. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl Tina works at 💋535 Evans Ave today 💕💕💕☎️☎️416-531-6969☎️☎️
  49. HolidaySpa:
    Thursday at 🌴😎🌅𝓗𝓸𝓵𝓲𝓭𝓪𝔂 𝓢𝓹𝓪🌅😎🌴3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough ☎️𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟮𝟰𝟳-𝟭𝟭𝟵𝟵☎️: ANGELA, LUCY & CINDY. Angela is versatile and responsive. LUCY is a beautiful and slim Asian lady with a happy disposition and great services. CINDY is a slim & incredibly sexy lady with a smile that will melt your heart, & an ass that will fire up your spirit.
  50. SugarLoveSpa:
    Thursday at ❤️💙 💜⎝𝗦𝗨𝗚𝗔𝗥 𝗟𝗢𝗩𝗘 𝗦𝗣𝗔⎠💖💗💘: LUNA, MIA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON ☎ 𝟰𝟯𝟳-𝟯𝟲𝟱-𝟮𝟲𝟴𝟴 ☎ LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. MIA is a young & slim 𝙎𝙋𝙄𝙉𝙉𝙀𝙍, very PRETTY & PETITE Vietnamese beauty with perfect natural A Cups, 5’1” & 90 Lbs, very versatile. Come and enjoy.
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