Spa AD E&M Wellness @ 7665 Kennedy Rd, Markham, Tel..(905) 479 6668

Been lurking for some time but kray gives decent reviews and honest opinions. I'm sure many hobbyists here actually value those opinions vs all the other non-sense..


He's a salesman, that's his job here. I'm sure he has all the best intensions. I agree with some of the shills but there are plenty of dud's too. Try for yourself and vote with your wallet.

No offense implied
 
Been lurking for some time but kray gives decent reviews and honest opinions. I'm sure many hobbyists here actually value those opinions vs all the other non-sense..

Krayjee will overplay his hand which he has done at SL.

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What a coincidence. I was about to bump this thread back to front after seeing the spa was pretty dead there today. I was having some discussions at Blue Sky for about 2 hrs for thier new Blue Sea spa opening on Pine Valley this coming Monday and all I saw was only one customer went into E&M in that 2 hrs period. January is always tough but this past year was the toughest for some spas.

The funny thing was Blue Sky girls were always watching on monitors to know E&M is busy or not. They said when E&M is busy. They are busy too. Mia told me Cici and Eva wants the Thai guy to come back to E& M..lol.
They were so happy when they first open the Blue Sky. They said they got over 20 customers everyday as soon as they open without advertising any where cuz at that time E&M was getting 35-40 customers a day and they were having a good time with spill overs from E&M. Now E&M is averaging only 20-25 a day so Blue Sky is getting only 10 -12 a day. The only difference is E&M needs at least 15 customers a day to break even and all Blue Sky needs was 5 customers.
 
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What a coincidence. I was about to bump this thread back to front after seeing the spa was pretty dead there today. I was having some discussions at Blue Sky for about 2 hrs for thier new Blue Sea spa opening on Pine Valley this coming Monday and all I saw was only one customer went into E&M in that 2 hrs period. January is always tough but this past year was the toughest for some spas. The funny thing was Blue Sky girls were always watching on monitors to know E&M is busy or mot. They said when E&M is busy. They are busy too. Mia told me Cici and Eva wants the Thai guy to come back to E& M..lol.

Isn't it though.
 
How come E&M needs 15 customers to break even and blue sky only 5?

Is one more debt leveraged than other... I guess it might have to with rates/tips they are charging for service.

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How come E&M needs 15 customers to break even and blue sky only 5?

Is one more debt leveraged than other... I guess it might have to with rates/tips they are charging for service.

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It's a simple math. E&M gets only 26 bucks from every one hr room fee. E&M has receptionist at $ 12 /hr. averaging $120 a day plus 6-7 loads of laundrues a day plus the sauna. Go figure out with the hydro rates and it all adds up. E&M rent is $3300.a month compared to $2800 for Blue Sky. Blue Sky gets $30 room fee for every half hr. No receptionist, no sauna not much laundry. And I am not even talking about how much E&M still owes to Bank.
 
It's a simple math. E&M gets only 26 bucks from every one hr room fee. E&M has receptionist at $ 12 /hr. averaging $120 a day plus 6-7 loads of laundrues a day plus the sauna. Go figure out with the hydro rates and it all adds up. E&M rent is $3300.a month compared to $2800 for Blue Sky. Blue Sky gets $30 room fee for every half hr. No receptionist, no sauna not much laundry. And I am not even talking about how much E&M still owes to Bank.

Well, Krayjee get back to working/helping E&M and you will make a lot of people happy.
 
I guess I need to visit Michelle more often...

E&m girls work more harder and yet they come out being under in the end... strange world we live in...

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I guess I need to visit Michelle more often...

E&m girls work more harder and yet they come out being under in the end... strange world we live in...

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Not sure what you mean, E&M girls are highly rated and are busy
 
The fact that e&m earns 26 bucks for an hour and blue sky 30 bucks for half an hour.

Agree, e&M is busy and highly rated but apparently they are not making enough compared to their next door neighbors even though they work (double) hard.

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The fact that e&m earns 26 bucks for an hour and blue sky 30 bucks for half an hour.

Agree, e&M is busy and highly rated but apparently they are not making enough compared to their next door neighbors even though they work (double) hard.

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Different type of service
 
The fact that e&m earns 26 bucks for an hour and blue sky 30 bucks for half an hour.

Agree, e&M is busy and highly rated but apparently they are not making enough compared to their next door neighbors even though they work (double) hard.

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If E&M is having trouble then the whole industry is in trouble.....we don't see spas closing we see more opening.
 
Yeah... Agree...im doing an apples to oranges comparison here...

My point was (Don't know for sure if it's a point at all).. if I owned E&M, the thought of switching to holistic would definitely come to mind...or in my case would never leave my mind... (does it make sense...)

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Yeah... Agree...im doing an apples to oranges comparison here...

My point was (Don't know for sure if it's a point at all).. if I owned E&M, the thought of switching to holistic would definitely come to mind...or in my case would never leave my mind... (does it make sense...)

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I would want to see real numbers...not Krayjee numbers..:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
had a sesson with cici recently, does she not tease at all or something? i had to tell her after like 30minutes of massaging that i enjoyed teasing and would like some smh and even then, it was lackluster and not sensual at all
 
Yeah... Agree...im doing an apples to oranges comparison here...

My point was (Don't know for sure if it's a point at all).. if I owned E&M, the thought of switching to holistic would definitely come to mind...or in my case would never leave my mind... (does it make sense...)

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Holistic spa is a much better choice if you want to make quick bucks with very little investment. I will give you a very good example. It costs over $160,000 to bulid E&M from ground up and it costs Blue Sky less than $30,000. Blue Sky owners Cici and Eva both working, they were making average over $1,000 everyday in their first 3-4 months, doing so well and was about to expand by renovating the basement to install two table shower rooms and all. They changed that plan after I left E&M and their spa got slowed down as well. Nevertheless they made their money back in less than 4 months. Candy spa bought their spa for just $24, 000 and it was all paid off in 3 months.
E&M on the other hand was struggling to make ends meet on their first few months after they opened in late september 2015 and running at a loss every month with getting only 13-14 customers a day to a point Esther and Michelle has to bring in Eva as additional partner to help secure the spa. It took me about 3-4 months and a few changes of ladies to put E&M on solid ground after I started helping them out. E&M still owes quite a big chunk of money to the bank. It is not as easy as you all think.
We all can see clearly who is doing better by the kind of cars the holistic spa owners are driving compared to semi legit spa owners. Most girls working at holistic spas make $500 to 800 a day and girls working at semi legit spas make avg only $250 to 350 after very hard work.
 
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Yes...exactly my point- I said it 'in short'.

Everybody wants to earn more by doing nothing or less...why wouldnt one think about opening/switching to holistic. Let's say you don't want to do it for x reasons. But the thought will most definitely cross ones mind.





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Well, Krayjee get back to working/helping E&M and you will make a lot of people happy.

I don't think it will happen any time soon. Michelle was quite easy to work with while she was struggling. Now she is on solid ground and she thinks she knows everything and won't take any suggestions from any one. There are lots of things needed to be done, maintained and changed to improve spa image but it is hard to deal with someone who has very limited vision and targeting only on her old regulars Asian blue collar workers. E&M needs to tidy up the place and it is in need of some new fresh girls. Some of the girls at E&M were over worked and getting burnt out working 5 days a week with little breaks in between. Cici and Angel a good example. She herself was over worked and stressed out and moody most time. She turned down the two best ladies I offered to her a few months back. Both ended up at Just relax and booked solid most times

It is a lot easier to deal with someone like Renee who admitted she knows nothing and handed me over the whole spa to manage, or smart and well educated Just Relax owner who is always asking for suggestions to improve her spa image and business. JR girls are responsible to clean the shower room of their own customers after every use to keep the place clean and spotless. She gave Christmas gifts to every of her girls and $50 cash to those who works on New Year's day including me. No wonder JR is the best managed and busiest semi legit spa in town now with lots of pkg holders and regulars with over 30 customers a day even in tough times. They even had 2 record breaking days with over 40 plus customers a few days ago while others were struggling. Even SL is benefitting from JR's spill overs.
 
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I don't think it will happen any time soon. Michelle was quite easy to work with while she was struggling. Now she is on solid ground and she thinks she knows everything and won't take any suggestions from me. There are lots of things needed to be changed and to improve spa image and all but it is hard to deal with someone who has limited vision. She even turned down the two best ladies I offered to her a few months back. Both ended up at Just relax.
It is a lot easier to deal with someone like Renee who admitted she knows nothing and handed me over the whole spa to manage, or smart and well educated Just Relax owner who is always asking for suggestions to improve her spa image and business. No wonder JR is the busiest semi legit spa in town now with lots of pkg holders and regulars with over 30 customers even in tough times.

Shangri-La is on the ropes with the "marketing genius's" guidance.(crazy $500 packages,one month door price special discount for MP members who mention the special )...on and on(not to mention the odd free hj :rolleyes:)....now not surprisingly Krayjee in search of a win is trying to attach his name to JR(numbers questionable of course)...in the meantime--"Now she (Michelle) is on solid ground and she thinks she knows everything and won't take any suggestions from me."........Guess what KJ,Michelle let you go for a reason:rolleyes:
 
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I don't think it will happen any time soon. Michelle was quite easy to work with while she was struggling. Now she is on solid ground and she thinks she knows everything and won't take any suggestions from any one. There are lots of things needed to be done and changed to improve spa image and business but it is hard to deal with someone who has very limited vision. She even turned down the two best ladies I offered to her a few months back. Both ended up at Just relax and booked solid most times. E&M is in need of some new fresh girls. Some of the girls at E&M were over worked and getting burnt out working 5 days a week with little breaks in between. Cici and Angel is a good example. She herself was over worked and stressed out most time.

It is a lot easier to deal with someone like Renee who admitted she knows nothing and handed me over the whole spa to manage, or smart and well educated Just Relax owner who is always asking for suggestions to improve her spa image and business. She gave Christmas gifts to every of her girls and $50 cash to those who works on New Year's day including me. No wonder JR is the best managed and busiest semi legit spa in town now with lots of pkg holders and regulars with over 30 customers a day even in tough times. They even had 2 record breaking days with over 40 plus customers a few days ago. Even SL is benefitting from JR's spill overs.

I was a spill over with no regrets but still have to check out JR...
 
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    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  29. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : Young RMT Student Helen, Sexy Busty Apple, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! SPECIAL PROMO 30 MINS 2 GIRLS $70 ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน**TODAY'S PICKS OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ HELEN AND APPLE๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  30. DareDevil:
    Blackpink Wellness โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ190 Marycroft Ave. Unit #2, Vaughan, ๐Ÿญ๐ŸฌON L4L 5Y1 (647) 395-3188. BEAUTIFUL AND SEXY GIRLS TODAY: Fun Girl Angela, New Indian Girl Radika and Beautiful Tiffany on duty๐ŸŒน.
  31. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Sami is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Mia new Vietnamese sweetheart girl with amazing personality Tiffany She is new as MPA From Philippines Slim Body Great Massage Fun personality Bella She is Mexican Gorgeous face Natalie she is CBC/filipina mixed
  32. Sunrise Relaxation(416)916-7276:
    Tomorrow@Sunrise Relaxation Downtown: Tiffany, Vivian and Kitty will be on shift. Call (416)500-0921 for detail schedule and insight info
  33. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Wednesday May 28, 2025, our attendants will be Carla ๐Ÿ’‹, Cici ๐Ÿคฉ, Opal ๐Ÿคฉ, Sandy ๐Ÿ˜ and Yoyo ๐Ÿฅฐ. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  34. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  35. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Table shower .body scrub ๐Ÿ˜˜Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl Angela ,so young Petite and pretty๐Ÿ˜‹ open service ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ Sweet girl Luna deep massage ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  36. Sabrina Fox:
    I'M HOT BUSTY AFRICAN GIRL AVAILABLE AT WESTON & ST. CLAIR. LETS HOOK UP! ๐Ÿ“ž 647-271-9648
  37. ใ™ใฟใพใ›ใ‚“:
    Gabby , sunny , larissa , lora, michelle , christine on duty at top notch.
  38. Nu spring spa888:
    โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธsexy hot Germany๐ŸŒธKorean ๐ŸŒธViennese girl working at๐Ÿ’“๐Ÿ’“ Nu spring spa โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  39. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธSusan๐ŸŒธLuna๐ŸŒธXuka๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธBrandy Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  40. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–Tuesday ๐Ÿ’œ Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: SL Richmond Hill & SL West Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†• Aliyah, Lucy, Cindy, Yui, new Jojo, Coco, Cici, busty Amber, Kelly & Jasmine โ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awai
  41. SpringGreen.:
    Apple off your weeked with a bang๏ผ Judy is at spring green in downtown toronto Tuesday from 9am-9pm with apple and coco. apple is a very beautiful andcaring young lady๏ผkitty is super hot.๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹647-891-0699 ask and text questions thanks๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  42. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  43. Spa in Markham:
    GOLDEN FS โ€“ 8380 Kennedy Rd ๐Ÿ“ž 905-258-0777 / 416-688-6886 ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY, ๐Ÿ‡ญ๐Ÿ‡บ VANESSA, ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN (2AM), ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE (8PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookinggoldenlove
  44. FLOWER Spa - BLUEXADO | Thornhill | VAUGHAN:
    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ CICI, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ AMY, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ SHERRY ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  45. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 13 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MONICA, ASHA, MALIYA, MONIKA, ANGEL, MIMI, PREETI, ANGELINA, DIYA, PAYAL PEARL, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  46. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ MADY (1PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  47. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  48. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS ๐Ÿฌ๐ŸญADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, โ™ฅ๏ธRICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 (PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : Yoga Lucy, Killer Kelly, Adorable Eva, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) **TODAY'S PICK OF THE DAY ARE ๐Ÿฌ๐ŸญLUCY AND KELLY๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  49. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธNina๐ŸŒธAnna๐ŸŒธAmberCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  50. AliceSpa:
    TUESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿต๐Ÿด-๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿด๐Ÿต๐Ÿด. 3 Young Beauties Today at Alice Spa. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (10am-9pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. KITTY (1pm-9pm) is a new Korean girl, super busty, small body, new
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