AMTA email about playing music in your massage room

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Did you see today's email from AMTA about playing music during massage? All I could say was "WTF".

My second thought was how are they going to enforce it?
The other issue is coding of your massage business for credit card processing. if you don't have this email from AMTA, I got the rest of it, I can PM it to you.


Important Articles Coming your Way in Hands On

AMTA has information on two significant business issues that could affect your massage practice. AMTA is unable to provide legal counsel in these matters, but we want you to be aware of these issues to protect your practice. Read more in upcoming issues of Hands On.


How Playing Music May Cost You

An AMTA member was recently advised by the American Society of Composers, Artists and Performers (ASCAP) that he would need to pay an annual fee of nearly $1,000 to continue playing recorded music through his office and massage room speakers.

According to the rules of licensing services like ASCAP, playing recorded music in a massage room requires permission (a license) and a fee, because the music is part of the atmosphere for a business transactionโ€”the massage.

This is a complicated legal issue. AMTA encourages you to visit the websites of the major performance rights/licensing organizations for details on obtaining permission to use music in your practice:

American Society of Composers, Artists and Performers, http://www.ascap.com
Broadcast Music Incorporated, http://www.bmi.com
Society of European Seforum.xxxe Authors and Composers, http://www.sesac.com

Find out more in the Sep/Oct issue of Hands On, http://www.amtamassage.org/member/handsonindex.html.
 


Unfotunately, this isn't new. The ASCAP has been pursuing small businesses in this manner for quite some time.

Several years ago they tried to get $1,000+ out of a local gym owner who was playing CD's in her aerobics classes as well as in the gym when folks were working out. She had a very limited group of CD's that she played as her niche was a Christian gym and she played only Christian music. Much of which she picked up personally from seminars and privately held concerts.

We looked up on the website to see if any of the artists she used were listed and couldn't find any. The last phone call she rec'd she basically told them they would have to prove she was using the artists that they represented. As far as I know that was the last she heard from them.

It scared her to death with multiple threats and phone calls but eventually they stopped harassing her. To me, the whole thing reeked of scam.
 


http://ozro.us/2006/10/07/retail-stores-and-business-use-of-music.aspx

Read through this link.
 


Massage is in the main stream now. Doctors and Dentists subscribe to music broadcasts for this very reason. Maybe its time for MT's to go this route also.

Another option is to get your music from places like Sounds of the Planet. The want you to play their music in your treatment rooms so clients will want to purchase a CD from you.
 


Several years ago, we pastored a very small "home church". We're talking 6-10 people, max, including us (not including our kids)! WE got a similar letter in the mail, referring to worship music. Yeah, like such a tiny church could afford $1000+/year for that, LOL!
 


How funny. My sound guy and I talked about this a while back... frankly, I think it's ridiculous. I love the tack above: "prove it".
 


as the wife of a musician, i understand ascap, bmi & sesac - not to mention, that this is the law. they are protecting the talent and product of their musicians. just like we would protect our employees.
 


makingachange said:
as the wife of a musician, i understand ascap, bmi & sesac - not to mention, that this is the law. they are protecting the talent and product of their musicians. just like we would protect our employees.

ditto... I am the wife of an audio engineer who's done everything from producing to recording to mixing and mastering, etc. We have actually had many talks about what we are going to do regarding this issue when I go into private practice. Either pay the lincensing OR he's going to create the music for me. He was a musician first before becoming the audio techno geek behind the scenes. :D
 


There is plenty of public domain music, for those of us who cannot afford the $1000 fee to play protected music!
 


Rose of Sharon said:
http://ozro.us/2006/10/07/retail-stores-and-business-use-of-music.aspx

Read through this link.

I believe I remember that the information on this page indicates that there is an exemption for those small enough to use "boomboxes" (portable players). Am I correct? In this case, we and many here would fall into the "does not apply" category, I believe.
 


We have a friend/client who is a musician/music.voice teacher. I would like to bring this to her attention and get her take on it. I can TOTALLY understand the viewpoint of those who actually do the work of making the music and producing the recordings. I also understand the point of those who could not afford that $1000/year or whatever.

Might turn out very interesting- dh and I have often mused about making our own music. Maybe this will be the catalyst for it!
 


Rocky Mountain and making a change, thanks for giving us your prospective. I understand the idea of an artist trying to make a living by writing music.
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I agree with Anastasia. I am glad the musician's camp has brought their perspective to the table, but I disagree. Not only have I already paid for the CD, but the musician is basically getting free exposure to people that perhaps would not normally be exposed. Many of my clients say "Who does this music?" and love it so much they go and buy one themselves.
 


shivashiva said:
I agree with Anastasia. I am glad the musician's camp has brought their perspective to the table, but I disagree. Not only have I already paid for the CD, but the musician is basically getting free exposure to people that perhaps would not normally be exposed. Many of my clients say "Who does this music?" and love it so much they go and buy one themselves.

Ditto. I had a few people ask me to write down the name of the CD I was playing and they went and bought it.
 


Anastasia said:
I feel that as long as I am not copying the CD for profit or playing it for profit and the CD is not THE MAIN ATTRACTION, I should be able to use the CD as I see fit.

You may feel that way, but the law states differently. It's not for you to decide.

If music is incidental to your work, then you can do without it.

Or you can buy your music from At Peace Media or one of the other massage-focused producers who permit this kind of use.
 


peacenut said:
Another option is to get your music from places like Sounds of the Planet. The want you to play their music in your treatment rooms so clients will want to purchase a CD from you.
Are you talking about Soundings of the Planet? Dean and Dudley (the founders and main artists of Soundings) are listed as BMI artists.
 


Anastasia said:
I feel that as long as I am not copying the CD for profit or playing it for profit and the CD is not THE MAIN ATTRACTION, I should be able to use the CD as I see fit.

The musicians' association needs to distiguish between different situations and not just try to charge EVERYBODY the same fee which in my opinion is ridiculously high.
Hey, I don't feel like paying a big high fee either (who does?), but if we use their product that they have taken the trouble to protect use rights of, we might be liable for paying them for that use.

BMI does have different rates they charge depending on size and type of business, and frequency of title play in some cases. I didn't check into ASCAP.
 


I think I am going to go ahead and delete my posts about this - ASCAP may be reading this message board. I don't really want them to come after me.
 


Well, does this mean that independent artists (musicians with their own private label) will be the way to go? :lol:
 
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    Monday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ดโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cutie & Yumi. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cutie is young, very pretty, long hair, great services. Yumi is a young half Chinese / /half Korean very sexy
  37. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young pretty Lily 25โ€™s with curve body and young Taiwanese Victoria slime 25โ€™s open mind, young sexy Michelle 25โ€™s with curve body open kind and cute GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  38. HolidaySpa:
    Monday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY, FIONA & CINDY. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! FIONA is a slim hottie with long dark hair, great melons and ass, and nice services. CINDY is slim
  39. SugarLoveSpa:
    Monday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: ELLA, MIA, NANCY & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York, ON โ˜Ž ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿฑ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฒ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด โ˜Ž ELLA is a lovely Thai sweetheart, 5โ€™1โ€ with C Cups, smooth skin and a very pleasing attitude. MIA is a young & slim ๐™Ž๐™‹๐™„๐™‰๐™‰๐™€๐™, very PRETTY & PETITE Vietnamese beauty with perfect natural A Cups, 5โ€™1โ€ & 90 Lbs, very versatile. Come and enjoy.
  40. luckywellness:
    Lucky Wellness Center 4379721888 295 Eglinton Ave E,Unit 7,Mississauga We have three girls working today, Vivi, Sarah and Kiki. They are young, beautiful, sexy and cute. They can give massages and are also fun
  41. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl โ—๏ธCindy sexy girl 1.65 M.pretty boobs 36D๐Ÿ˜˜so open service ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ Sweet girl Luna deep massage ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  42. DareDevil:
    Blackpink Wellness โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ90 Marycroft Ave. Unit #2, Vaughan, ๐Ÿญ๐ŸฌON L4L 5Y1 (647) 395-3188. BEAUTIFUL AND SEXY GIRLS TODAY: ๐ŸŒนSuperstar Julie, Fun Girl Bonnie, Indian Girl Meera and Beautiful Tiffany on duty๐ŸŒน.
  43. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : New Sexy Busty Girl Faye, Young RMT Student Helen, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! Chloe beautiful good body BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน**TODAY'S PICK OF THE DAY IS ๐Ÿญ๐ŸฌHELEN OR FAYE๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  44. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Sasa friendly Vietnamese girl Kelly Vietnamese sweetheart girl with amazing personality Judy is a gorgeous model type Vietnamese Girl Cherry ๐Ÿ’ From Malaysia Part time School girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
  45. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒนwelcome toWonder spa [9421Jane st unit 127)L6a 4H8,๐Ÿ”ฅ4165000-800,Ensuit rain shower is available ,every day 4 nice girls working,๐Ÿ’„Amy is Vietnamese young sex girl,open maid,everything she can do,๐Ÿ’„Mimi is very beautiful face long leg friendly ,nice body slide,really popular must try๐ŸŒนlong hair Mina strong to relax oil massage,back walk,nice sexy body slice.amazing ending,๐Ÿ”ฅbring you comfortable time
  46. EMSpa_schedule:
    Tomorrow's sneak peek: On Monday May 12, 2025, our attendants will be Vicky ๐Ÿ‘, Ivy ๐Ÿ˜˜, Mia ๐Ÿ˜˜, Sandy ๐Ÿค— and Sophie ๐Ÿค—. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ(905) 479-6668โ˜Ž๏ธ to book!
  47. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  48. Nu spring spa888:
    ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนsexy hot Singapore ๐Ÿ’–Filipino ๐Ÿ’– Korean girls ๐Ÿ‘working at Nu spring spa๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน
  49. DareDevil:
    ARIA WELLNESS โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธADDRESS: 360 HWY 7, UNIT #6, RICHMOND HILL,647-222-5683 โ™ฅ๏ธโ™ฅ๏ธ(PHONES CALL ONLY, NO TEXT'N AVAILABLE) โ™ฅ๏ธTODAY'S Schedule!โ™ฅ๏ธ Loaded lineup with Beautiful Girls : New Sexy Busty Girl Faye, Magical Mia and Work out๐Ÿ‹๐Ÿšด๐Ÿ’ช Babe Amy! Chloe beautiful good body BUY 10 HOURS (GET 11 HOURS) ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน**TODAY'S PICK OF THE DAY IS ๐Ÿญ๐ŸฌFAYE๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿญ**
  50. Spa in Markham:
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