Don't make the same mistake

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Today, I realized the importance of being careful when seeing MPAs, and SPs in general. While basically a noob myself, I have a handful of experiences at different locations, thus far. Only 2 of them have been good (amazing, we might say), while the rest have been either bad, or atrocious.

However, 1 in particular is "off the charts" bad. While the others were either rushed or poor service in general, this one experience words can't describe.

You might think it was some morbidly obese bait-and-switch with the worst service, who gave me HIV, but no. In fact, she looked great for her age, gave decent service and no STD.

The thing is, from the first step in the door, there was shame. As a religious person, the fact there is a "bitten apple" on the front door was a sign to turn around and walk away. While you may identify as Atheist or another religion, it's 100% OK... This isn't meant in respect to our differences in that regard.

It's about that they openly and proudly want to hurt our spirit. They know that most here see a bitten apple & associate it with sin & shame. They want us to regret seeing them. They don't care about providing service that makes us want to return, or uplifts us. It's all about tricking and deceiving us.

With that said, my visit to this location is no different. Even though she looked good, the talking down, excessively rude, rushing and fake moans & compliments left me with an intense sense of shame that even today, over a year later I still have.

An old, ugly morbidly obese bait-and-switch with poor service would have been better. Somebody who wants to hurt our soul for no reason, no matter how they look or the service they provide is somebody who we should avoid.

So remember if things reopen to respect yourself enough to walk away when it doesn't feel right... Almost never pay upfront unless familiar with the provider or agency. Hope this helps.

Peace โ˜ฎ๏ธ
 
I think at this point in your life hobbying is not for you. You may feel differently later. At 29 I would not even have thought about paying for sex. I did not want marriage and was happy just having a girlfriend and a social life. The only thing I would add is that it took me a little while to get used to this hobby. These days I am entirely comfortable, say what I am looking for and will walk away if i cannot get what I am looking for or feel apprehensive.
 
Yeah When you are reglious you will connect your own dots and paint your own picture.

There is no good or evil..there are people trying to get the most out of the situation so it benefits them. That is the common thread with everyone in life. Co-worker, spouse, sibling ..SP..friends..business competition

If you make yourself vulnerable you will be taken advantage of period. If you where able to go to work for a full day..work for 2 hrs..and get paid for all of it. You would take advantage. But you cannot because the company puts in time cards.. managers..work schedules ..meetings to make sure your there. They protect there income stream.

My point ..do you research..read reviews.. protect your space and ensure you minimize chances of being taken advantage off. I used to tell any SP before I see them to send me a pic..no pic..I dont go.. I move on.
You would surprised of how much fake girls I avoided. Now they passed the visual test but there service was shitty. "No I dont do that..your taking too long..that hurts..are you cuming now, I have another appointment hurry up, that's not what I said "

The SP world is full of fake pics and girls who think because they have a pussy they can run a business. I left the independent SP space yrs ago because of fake photos and shitty service.

Stick with well known spas or agencies..if it's shitty service you can complain to the review boards and there aware we hobbyist share info so they will try to make it right. Independent girls feel no obligation to make sure you leave happy. Count your blessings if you have some gems ..most are garbage.

Dont get me wrong you can find some good talent in the SP space. I spent many years there before I understood it was better to spend more money at a SPA vs playing around searching for gems. the effort and time wasted was not worth it.

That cheap 120 in call cost you money .gas .and time ..and you still didnt get off so you go find another incall the next day to get off..

2hrs finding girl via leolist
120 wasted and disappointed

Next day Another 2 hrs to find another girl because you need some redemption
Anothdr 120 wasted

Thats 4hrs and 220 wasted and that's not including driving all over the place..paying for parking..clearing text messages of the conversation. Waiting in parking lots and she opens the door and your like " it kinda looks like her" ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚. Fuck that..I dont waste my time anymore.

SPA
150 book my appointment
Drive there park for free..pay my fee..see my girl ..tip if I'm happy.. end of story.

My favorite Spa girl tells me shes gonna put my cock to sleep at the start of the session
That's what I pay for. Quality over Quantity. ๐Ÿ˜Ž
 
I beg to differ...
There are girls that enjoy what they do and put in effort to make it fun..comfortable and make sure you leave happy. There offerings are up front and transparent in service. Pics are accurate..everything's known. No false promises . If shes BBW ..MILF ..skinny ..green..just be honest in pics..service and price.

When I go to McDonald's I dont order a big mac ..get a TACO for a big mac price and when I complain ..I get attitude like she is doing a a favour. Thats what I'm referring to. Girls that feel entitled to not conduct business properly and RIP off guys.

Also If girls are doing this line of work and looking for guys "who really care about them" they have bigger issues no amount of appointments can solve.

Guys are paying to fuck..some are assholes some are nice. Most are not doing this for a real emotional relationship with the girls ..your confusing nice and caring . I'm a nice guy ..I treat them well and I tip well . But I dont care if shes gonna be able to buy flour .. Wtf ๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚ .

That's a job for her boyfriend..
 
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I doubt very much that the bitten apple is meant to be an insult towards anyone.
Different cultures, backgrounds, and upbringings expose us all to different things and thus we all have different interpretations of many things.
I for one have never heard of the symbolism of the bitten apple you refer to. There's a pretty good chance the MP owner hasn't either.
I think you may be reading far too much into something that isn't intended to mean anything at all.
 
It seems to me that you're just struggling with your conscience, which may keep you from returning to the hobby... not a bad thing, I might say.
The symbol of the bitten apple (giving into temptation) is both obvious and applicable.
Not sure why that bothers you so much... is it possible that, after a mediocre session, you're getting buyer's remorse of having a mediocre session, which doesn't outweigh the conscience factor of giving into temptation?
Maybe if you did more due diligence to vet the right provider, you might have a better experience overall, and less remorse, since you've had a better experience.

I'm a MP guy. Never been to a SP. Depending on where you go for your MPA, you can expect a certain level of overall service (and I'm not even talking about extras.)
 
Pretty intense post...

Have you thought about it from her perspective too... think about what it must feel like, to be treated by guys who really don't care one iota about her... one after the other, coming in, literally, and figuratively... she can't buy flour during a pandemic, no one gives a rats ass, just... you know... when will she next be available? If she died would you go to her funeral, or even read through her obit? Probably not... you wouldn't really care... you just want to nut, with a smile...

and so it's mutual. she doesn't really care about you either.

p.s. don't take this post personally... letter to self, really.

It's isn't about caring. It doesn't matter if a restaurant cook doesn't care about us, as long as the food is ok.

When they spit in our food, that's a problem. Especially for no reason.*
 
Your paranoid and over analyzing.
We are all here for a limited time.
Religion..superstition, beliefs ..assumptions wont save you. We are all marching towards the exit sign. So enjoy the view and smell the flowers on your way out.
 
I am guessing you went to as asian SPA?

if so you're paranoid and over thinking.

You might need to take a step back away from going to spas and relax your mind.
 
My relationship between the mpa or sp and me is strictly provider and customer relationship. As a customer i have a set of expectations. Wanting me to get the fuck out the moment the session started will get zero empathy from me. If you dont like the way the customer treat you then quit. Dont let shit the door on your way out.

If you are nice to me, i will be respectful.
 
Try it again, but this time revel in the shame and the wickedness. That's part of the fun. You can always struggle with remorse later before you do it again. I learned this when I deflowered my Jehova neighbour's daughter. The memory of her shame and post coital crying still gets me hard.
 
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    ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’–sexy hot busty Singapore ๐ŸŒน Indian ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนkorean girls๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒนworking ๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’—at markham โ˜Ž๏ธ416-669-8508โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธ
  35. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธCandy๐ŸŒธMelissa๐ŸŒธXuka๐ŸŒธAmber๐ŸŒธMonika Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  36. EMSpa_schedule:
    ๐Ÿ”ฅReady for a fantastic time?๐Ÿ”ฅ Today (Saturday), our amazing attendants are Vicky ๐Ÿฅณ, Lucy ๐Ÿ˜˜, Ivy ๐Ÿค—, Opal ๐Ÿค— and Sophie ๐Ÿ˜. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  37. wilson holistic centre:
    new girl works at ๐Ÿ’‹535 Evans Ave today ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-531-6969โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ
  38. Lilyspa1:
    Lily Spa : โค๏ธโค๏ธ SuSu ( Asian )Slim , ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜Porn Service ๐Ÿฉท๐ŸฉทBella 22, Latino French, 36 DDD and ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘ASS, ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Mimi 24, Asian mixed White , very open-Minded , ๐Ÿ˜ˆbbbj , DFk ๐Ÿ”ฅDuo ๐Ÿ”ฅ,โ˜Ž๏ธ 6475318288
  39. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธVivian๐ŸŒธValentina๐ŸŒธAnnaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  40. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน Three girls every day ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ 5124 Dundas West Street, Etobicoke โ˜Ž๏ธ 416-817-3366 ๐Ÿ‘ Newโ—๏ธNew girl Angela ,so young Petite and pretty๐Ÿ˜‹ open service ๐Ÿ˜œ๐Ÿ˜œ Sexy girl Suki deep massage ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ Hot and sexy body very provocative service ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธ You are welcome to make an appointment at any time or walk in directly through the back door. We have ample parking spaces available
  41. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ AMMU, JANVI, MONIKA, SASHA, JOEY, BELA, MIMI, SALMA ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  42. ForeverWarden:
    Saturday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ 2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Sara, Tracy & Cindy. Sara is young & slim with nice C Cups, trim waist, sexy bum and long hair. She is vary friendly uses her assets well. Tracy is an incredibly cute & pretty Japanese/Taiwanese mixed spinner, about 5โ€™1โ€ and 100 lbs. She is very popular for her exotic massage & services.
  43. HolidaySpa:
    Saturday at ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…๐“—๐“ธ๐“ต๐“ฒ๐“ญ๐“ช๐”‚ ๐“ข๐“น๐“ช๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4, Scarborough โ˜Ž๏ธ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿณ-๐Ÿญ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿต๐Ÿตโ˜Ž๏ธ: AMY & MAGGIE. AMY is an attractive young lady with larger breasts and a nice bottom. She has outstanding oral skills, and is very popular. Donโ€™t miss out on her special skills! Maggie is sweet, slim and very talented. ๐ŸŒด๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒ…HOLIDAY SPA๐ŸŒ…๐Ÿ˜Ž๐ŸŒด 3517 Kennedy Rd, Unit 4 (Kennedy Rd & Steeles Ave E)
  44. SugarLoveSpa:
    Saturday at โค๏ธ๐Ÿ’™ ๐Ÿ’œโŽ๐—ฆ๐—จ๐—š๐—”๐—ฅ ๐—Ÿ๐—ข๐—ฉ๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—”โŽ ๐Ÿ’–๐Ÿ’—๐Ÿ’˜: CHRISTINA, LUNA, SARA & TIFFANY. 1270 Finch Ave W (at Keele St), Unit 18. North York. CHRISTINA is Spanish, C Cups, 5'3", tall & nice curves, very open minded. LUNA is a slim, VERY PETITE and capable Vietnamese beauty, nice natural 34C Cups. Luna can do everything. SARA is a beautiful Thai lady with C Cups, 160 Cms and 50 Kgs
  45. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  46. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบwelcome to wonder spaโ˜Ž๏ธ416-5000-800,L6a4H8๏ผŒ. 4young beautiful girls working everyday(open long weekend),Ensuit shower available ๐Ÿ…,new friendly nice girl CiCi,providing oil deep tissue to relax massage and nice body slide,back work.more experience ,๐Ÿ…nice Vietnamese Amy is very good looking,big breasted sweet smile,open maid,everything she can provide,really popular girl,must try๐Ÿ”ฅ
  47. SpringGreen.:
    The weeked is here .New spanish tina๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Bunny miya,angel and tina are available today.These busty attractive girls provide a high level of service with a smile. call and text message ask questions thanks ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹647-891-0699 call and text quentions thanks ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  48. bnwellness_wilson:
    We have 4 young girls are working today, young sweet Michelle 25โ€™s with curve body open mind and young cute Kitty 26โ€™s with curve body open mind, young flirty Yoyo with 36DD curve body open mind 30โ€™s and nice GFE Lina are providing deep tissue massage, pls call 4163985777 book appointment and walk in always welcome,back entrance and parking available, 350 Wilson Ave North York
  49. Annie Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ANNIE SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…7-1001 SANDHURST CIRCLEโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒSCARBOROUGH ON M1V 1Z6๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ (647) 891-9688โ˜Ž๏ธ โ˜Ž๏ธ (416) 291-8879โ˜Ž๏ธ (FINCH & MCCOWAN) OPEN 9:30am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…NEW MANAGEMENT๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ”ฅGORGEOUS NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS - TODAYโ€™s ROSTER INCLUDES: ๐Ÿ”ฅ Judy๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅOur new Asian massage girl Judy is a vision of refined sensuality, with a graceful figure and smooth, flawless skin that radiates warmth and allure. Her striking black hair frames her delicate features, and her poised
  50. Lulu_Villa_Spa:
    Mia new Vietnamese sweetheart girl with amazing personality Yuki Sweet Singaporean Girl Bella She is Mexican Gorgeous face Elena Vietnamese girl Cici Cute Vietnamese Girl โ˜Ž๏ธ647- 446-0886
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