Getting what you want vs. meeting expectations.

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After reading the post about rimming and reviewing my own personal interest in going to mp's I have decided to try and share some of my experience in both meeting expectations and beyond that getting what I want out of a massage.
My main goal when going to an mp is to have sensual contact with the mpa which may include anything from lfk, dfk, bbbj, hugging, breast play(touching, caressing, sucking, licking, etc.), foot play(massaging, licking, sucking, foot job, etc.), daty, fetish play(for me its feet, pantyhose and encasement but im a freak), and about the only thing im truly not expecting nor wanting is any type of fs.
Now the question is how to realize any of these 'extras' so that expectations are met and possible wanton desires are also realized.
My route to the promised land is through mutual respect and the slow build up of sexual tension by not focusing on the areas that the mpa usually expects that will receive the most attention(i.e. pussy, ass, breasts, lips, etc.)
Because i always go for at least a NR i am usually successful in acheiving my goals by trying to give a better massage than i received, which usually isnt very hard as most mps have no formal training in massage therapy, and my focus is usually the mpa's feet which to my amazement are usually left out of the equation when giving a 'good' massage.
My technique ranges from simply running my finger nails along the bottom of the sole, nibbling on the heel, toe sucking, massaging the achilles tendon, running my teeth along the perimeter of the foot, etc.
I guess my goal when writing this is to find out how other hobbyists treat mpa's, what their expectations are, what their desires include, and most importantly how they acheive their means.
I dont know if my message will be scene as i intend it to be but any response would be appreciated.
 
I try to go into a session expeceting nothing more than a basic massage and release from an MPA.

Anything beyond that is always a welcome surprise and always appreciated.

It's not always the physical actions that makes the session good, but rather how comfortable your MPA is in the room that can make the session better than others.
 
Great concept flyingdgn.... its one I've been saying for years... low expections = better experience the majority of the time.
 
So your question is "What's the secret to getting the most mileage?"

To answer your questions, I treat MPA's with respect, meaning I don't push them with anything they are uncomfortable with. You have to be considerate and treat them like human beings. As for expectations, I go in expecting to have a good time. If mileage comes with it, all the better, but if not, I don't let it ruin a session. Going to see an MPA for the first time with the expectation of getting good mileage usually results in disappointment, unless you know ahead of time what she offers. Giving the MPA a good massage has almost always improved or benefitted me in the session. For some girls, giving them a good massage opens other doors, but for some it does nothing. If you 'click' with the MPA, that alone is a good enough reason to getting a better session.
 
I hate the word mileage but you are correct in your assumptions except i already know how to acheive most of my goals and have tried to explain some of my technique towards that end.
I guess what im really interested in is how other members treat this subject and how they are able (or not able) to find what they are looking for.
I like the idea of low expections because everything that happens above and beyond the basics is seen as a bonus.
However, i personally find meeting higher expectations can be a much more rewarding experience especially when you have to exert yourself towards a satisfying(and hopefully mutually satisfying) end.
 
This is a little hard to explain, so I will make it simple ...

I go in with lowered expectations, when the time comes around for extras I usually tell her that I am okay with doing whatever you are comfortable doing. They almost always smile and I almost always have a great time. Pushing for extras gets you lower mileage, letting her feel comfortable allows for a session to be more rewardable.

It is really about you as soon as you walk in, there are many factors involved as mentioned in many discussions. The better you two get along during the massage mostly through conversation, the better the sessions ends up being.

Of course there are mpa out there that will always have a frame of mind that you will never get around, those may never be repeats.

VBB
 
Actualy, a good foot massage is apreciated by any woman. It's pretty much guarenteed to bring a big smile to any woman's face. Want to impress any woman ya like, buy a jar of good cream and offer to give her a good foot massage. Women who on their feet alot such as flight attendants, or most mpas will greatly appreciate this.

~The Night Runner~
 
If you go in with no expectations except to have a good time with a beautiful woman, then anything else is a bonus...

Certainly many clients tend to be fairly "mechanical" so if you arrive with a positive attitude, wanting to please the MPA she'll respond accordingly...

I like to suck on their toes and kiss their feet too, and the response has always been positive...

NOTE: just remember to ask the MPA to take her shoes off before she jumps on the table. Many seem to leave them on, then you don't get full access to those lovely toes

A couple of times I'd wondered if they'd deliberately left them on coz their feet were ticklish, but as it turned out most guys simply weren't interested so they didn't bother removing their highheels...

If they ask why, just tell thm you have a surprise which always goes over well...

While breast play is fairly standard fair, unfortunately there are no guarantees with regards to DATY, LK, DFK etc... The MPA may save that for regular clients, or it may not be on the menu at all...

Quite frankly I don't see MPA's for mileage. I see them coz I enjoy their company, and the release is an added bonus...

When I'm looking for REAL hot and heavy action with guaranteed results I call a FS escort....
 
Agree with consensus that minimal, reasonable expectations going in is the only safe way. Generally, repeats with MPA and mileage gets better. I genuinely love and adore every square millimeter of the female body, so enjoy giving a reasonably thorough massage, and have been rewarded. I see it as fun, sensual, and I try and learn things, what seems to work, etc. Never tried the feet thingy though. Going to next time.

But, in the getting what you want vs. expectations - I've noticed that first time with an MPA, even though I ask for NR, she'll almost never do it, even when I establish myself as a regular, just not yet with her. N yes, I've never been refused the R, she just never offers to switch, it's just the old flip over.
 
...and then the next thing you know, you're clicking with her like you are long-lost lovers. It's an incredible GFE session and you can't wait unitl you see her next. Next thing you know, you are breaking all the rules with her which may even lead to fs.
 
Want better mileage, go in state "I am Sheik from massageplanet.net" and your wish will be granted.
 
Expecting milage to be high with an MPA you've never seen before can lead to a serious let down.... than again you could be surpised in the most delightfull way.... who can say??? Only one way to find out and that is to go and see for yourself!!!!
 
That's how it was with Paige@IT, and now Faith at HFH...went in expecting just the basic....came out with that happy, surprised grin on my face...every now and then GOD smiles down on you!!
 
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    BLUEXADO FS โ€“ #06-1102 Centre St ๐Ÿ“ž 416-357-9797 / 416-678-8668 ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ด MEGAN, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ MY LINH, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ JULIE ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingbluexadolove
  37. FLOWER Spa โ€“ PINK | Scarborough | TORONTO:
    PINK FS โ€“ 3300 McNicoll Ave ๐Ÿ“ž 416-299-5515 / 416-817-3839 ๐Ÿ‡ฎ๐Ÿ‡ท ELINA, ๐Ÿ‡ป๐Ÿ‡ณ KELLY, ๐Ÿ‡ธ๐Ÿ‡ฌ CANDY (12PM) ๐Ÿ”Ž View Schedule: bit.ly/flowers_schedule ๐Ÿ›Ž๏ธ Booking Now: bit.ly/bookingpinklove
  38. Golden Sunshine Spa:
    โœจClick on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates and special services ! โœ… Click Here Today๐ŸŒธAkame๐ŸŒธChristina๐ŸŒธXuka๐ŸŒธLynda๐ŸŒธMilly Call us โ˜Ž 905 - 265 - 2158โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate service awaits! โœจ
  39. Soul Relax Spa:
    โœจ Looking for a relaxing escape? โœ… Click Here Meet๐ŸŒธTina๐ŸŒธIsabella๐ŸŒธMonikaCall us today for the best treatment and service experience. Click on our Username and FOLLOW US for updates ! Call now โ˜Ž 289 - 298 - 5662โ˜Ž๏ธ Your ultimate relaxation awaits! โœจ
  40. SL East Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’†โ€โ™€๐Ÿ’–WooHoo Wed๐Ÿ’– Ultimate destination for Asian massages๐ŸŽ‰ Two fab spots: Richmond Hill & Oakvilleโœจ Your passport to paradise with 10 enchanting girls fr China, HK, Japan & Korea โ€” ๐Ÿ†•Luna, Cindy, Coco,Cici, Jenny, Amber, JPN Yui, Akino, Jasmine & Lucyโ€” ready to pamper you๐ŸŽ๐Ÿ Ring us ๐Ÿ“ž647-695-6354 or text us ๐Ÿ“ฑ647-578-8169โœจ 160 East Beaver Cr., Unit 12, RichmondHill ๐Ÿ’ฐWhere Eastern charm meets Western comfort - your bliss awaits๐Ÿ™Œ
  41. Lulu1980:
    Phoenix Blossom Spa ๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน๐ŸŒน2 girls ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ”ฅ5124 Dundas St W Etobicokeโ˜Ž๏ธ416-817-3366๐Ÿ‘ Table Shower Sea Salt Bath Body Scrub๐Ÿ˜˜ Japanese girl Nina โค๏ธ Natural Big Boobs 38 DD ๐Ÿ˜˜Pink Mini Nipples Hot body slide, super enjoyable๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜ very provocative service๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ˜˜, professional super Luna deep tissue massage, has therapeutic effect to loosen bones and relieve muscle pressure and will bring you unexpected service effects, she will bring you a little surprise๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜โค๏ธYou are welcome to make an appoint
  42. SpringGreen.:
    Today we have 5 girls on downtown Toronto 72 gerrard st west๏ผš๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹ New girl gaga Serving The Queen ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹Bunny- Tanned Spanish beauty with large melons and a fun booty too Wendy- exotic goddess with a gymnasts body and corresponding flexibility Jennifer- Exotic beauty with... Call and text 647 891 0699 ask questions Thanks ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ’‹
  43. Jennyโ€™s Spa:
    ๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’JENNYโ€™S SPA๐ŸŽ‰๐Ÿ’ โœ…5170 DUNDAS STREET WESTโœ… ๐Ÿ‘ŒETOBICOKE ONTARIO M9A 1C4๐Ÿ‘Œ โ˜Ž๏ธ( 647-893-5196)โ˜Ž๏ธCall or Text โ˜Ž๏ธ( 437-888-3759)โ˜Ž๏ธCall Only (ETOBICOKE) OPEN 10am to 9pm MONDAY to SUNDAY ๐Ÿ”ฅโœ…GRAND OPENING๐Ÿ’ฏNEW GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅEXCELLENT MASSAGE + SERVICE QUEENS NOW AVAILABLE AT JENNYโ€™S SPA FOR ALL YOUR MASSAGE AND SPECIAL EXTRA NEEDS๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’ฏ๐Ÿ˜˜๐Ÿ”ฅโค๏ธ๐Ÿ‘Œ ๐Ÿ”ฅTWO BEAUTIFUL NEW YOUNG ASIAN GIRLS EVERYDAY๐Ÿ”ฅ ๐Ÿ’ฏREAL PICTURES OF ATTENDANTS๐Ÿ’ฏ ๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹Limited Time Special Promotion๐Ÿ”ฅ๐Ÿ’‹ โœ…๐Ÿ’ฆ30 Minutes Nude Mass
  44. Red Rose Spa:
    ๐ŸŒธ We have 5 hot brown girls today ๐ŸŒธ MONICA, PAOLA, MALIYA, MONIKA, AMANDA, ASHA, JAZMINE, PREETI, ANGELINA, KIRAN ๐ŸŒธ 2588 Birchmount ๐ŸŒธ 2 Invergordon ๐ŸŒธ 647-702-8800 ๐ŸŒธ Please visit for a great erotic massage
  45. wilson holistic centre:
    ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•Beautiful Korean girl working at 382 Wilson Ave ๐Ÿ’•๐Ÿ’•โ˜Ž๏ธโ˜Ž๏ธ416-840-0071โค๏ธโค๏ธ
  46. wonderspa:
    ๐ŸŒบWonder spa,(9421Jane st unit127)call416-5000-800โ˜Ž๏ธbest massage in vaughan,Wednesday RMT available,๐Ÿ’„sexy face young girl Joey natural c cup,very good looking nice body slide,really popular ๐ŸŽlong hair Q Lucy good strong to relax oil massage, Relieve pain and remove stress,more experience,๐ŸŒนvery nice new girl CiCi, amazing the end,give you warm time,must try๐ŸŒน๐Ÿฅค
  47. AliceSpa:
    WEDNESDAY at ๐—”๐—Ÿ๐—œ๐—–๐—˜ ๐—ฆ๐—ฃ๐—” 416-298-0898, 4915 Steeles Ave. E, Scarborough 3 very nice girls here today. Open 10am to 9pm: CLOUDIA (11am-8pm): is Vietnamese, young, petite 5'2" & 96 Lbs, B Cup, best rim deep bbbj cim. $40 Room Fee + $80 (incl bbbj & fs). +$20 for rim/cim. Excellent open minded services. DORIS (12pm-9pm): from Taiwan, is young & petite with loing thick black hair, 105 Lbs
  48. Annie Spa:
    ๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Sexy Petite Korean๐Ÿ‡ฐ๐Ÿ‡ทGirl Eva working with Sweet Beautiful Japanese New Cummer to Canada Feifei ๐Ÿ‡ฏ๐Ÿ‡ต and Sensual Pleasing Busty Coco๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ณtoday๐Ÿ’‹๐Ÿ˜˜Call or text ๐Ÿ“ฒ647-891-9688 or 416-291-8879๐Ÿ“ฒ
  49. EMSpa_schedule:
    Hey! Where have you been? Today (Wednesday), our amazing attendants are Carla โ€, Cici ๐Ÿ˜, Opal ๐Ÿคฉ, Sandy ๐Ÿค— and Yoyo ๐Ÿ˜. Call us at โ˜Ž๏ธ (905) 479-6668 โ˜Ž๏ธ to book your favourite and head on over to 7665 Kennedy Road, Unit 4, Markham!
  50. ForeverWarden:
    Wednesday at ๐Ÿซฆโค๏ธ๐Ÿ”ด๐ŸŸฅโ™พ๏ธ๐“•๐“ž๐“ก๐“”๐“ฅ๐“”๐“ก ๐“ข๐“Ÿ๐“โ™พ๏ธ๐ŸŸฅ๐Ÿ”ดโค๏ธ๐Ÿซฆ2190 Warden Ave, Unit 201, Scarborough ๐Ÿฐ๐Ÿญ๐Ÿฒ-๐Ÿด๐Ÿฌ๐Ÿฌ-๐Ÿณ๐Ÿด๐Ÿด๐Ÿณ: Bella, Cindy & Sasa. Bella is around 5โ€™3โ€ with a thin to medium build, C Cups, and a pleasing personality. She can offer dfk, bbbj and cfs as well as a good massage experience. Cindy is a slim beauty, 5โ€™4โ€, natural C Cups. Her massage is nice, her services will drive you wild & her finish is a dream
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